BUT WHAT'S YOUR RANGE

Originally Posted by griffey24

This thread is quite tilting for me. Honestly I don't even care who's right or wrong in this thread.

But what I DO care about is one thing: One of the main things that separates this forum from other poker forums, and that has separated it for as long as I've been posting here, is that we have less trolls. Less people being douches in threads, and responding condescendingly to people that may or may not know better than them. There's honestly been too much of it in this thread and other threads as well.

This is the beginner's forum. People are here to learn. People WILL be wrong. People WILL know less than you at times. People WILL have trouble understanding some concepts. Be patient, or if you're getting tilted from some posts then don't post a response in that 10 minute window. Let's keep FTR the way it's been known to be, and not turn it into the other douche-infested forums.

/rant

Absolutely this. In 2009 I had joined a mega-immature forum where most of the members would rather bully the newbs. It's an awful thing when your trying to learn something.

On this topic I'm going to simply say this: Over the past 9 months I have beat 5nl & 10nl on lock, and I can honestly say at the tables I'd be way out leveling thinking about balancing for the most part. Away from the table I would do in-depth range analysis on hands in my DB, and hands in the BC, but at the tables I would just use my notes, the notes poker tracker4 took for me. I would determine how POS aware villains were. use that to think about how board intersects with them, and go from there. Even villains with reg-ish stats have super leaks post flop to exploit. the few that are actually decent. Well, that's not where your building your bankroll from.

I guarantee Savy is incapable of admitting when he's wrong

Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

I guarantee Savy is incapable of admitting when he's wrong

What you want to do is actually read up on stuff before coming to an opinion, at no point do I think you should take anything I or others say as gospel when it comes to poker because the vast majority of the time it isn't. But when you get through some misconceptions that people seem to have had with the stuff that I've said a lot of it is very solid.

For the record though I actually had a chat with Carroters last night and we basically came to an agreement about most of the stuff in this thread.

And I'm sure I admit I'm wrong about stuff when I am wrong. In fact if you do some digging through my posts I'm sure you'll find examples of this instead of over adjusting due to poor reads :P

Originally Posted by ImSavy

For the record though I actually had a chat with Carroters last night and we basically came to an agreement about most of the stuff in this thread.

^ this doesn't surprise me, my guess is that there have been a couple of misunderstandings based on when it is best to apply an optimal strategy and when it is best to deviate from it. That basically seems the guts of most posts, with another set of posts suggesting that knowing the optimal strategy with your range in a specific spot being unnecessary to beat micros and from that arguing that this knowledge is of less value than others contend.