Isolation turned flop shove

Villain is 17/11 over 47 hands, not seen him show anything down yet.

RE: sizing of the 3bet, the original limper was a big drooler, so I wanted to keep him in.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $23.18 (92.7 bb)
UTG: $203.88 (815.5 bb)
MP: $33.29 (133.2 bb)
CO: $41.12 (164.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $2.25, BB folds, MP calls $2, CO folds, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($7.25) 2 K A (3 players)
Hero bets $6.75, MP folds, BTN raises to $22.75 and is all-in

Hero?

I'm still 3b bigger pre Regardless of fish, this is not a hand I'm fist pump playing 3way oop.

As played, snap calling but prob not betting quite that big on flop.

Plug in all the hands that beat you, and then AQo and you are a coinflip. I'm not sure how you could ever fold this.

You need to 3bet bigger though. As played, button can call with his whole range and position even if fish folds. If fish calls then button will be closing the action at 6:1. Wtf can he fold for 6:1? Your 3bet doesn't Iso at all, it just bloats a pot OOP.

Never folding, just guess I tlitposted, you are both right of course that the problem was preflop wrh faulty reasoning about not wanting to blow fish out.

yah just don't treat AK preflop like it's KK/AA cause they are obviously very different.

I was watching an old FTR Sauce video last week. They're awesome btw even six years later. He said that taking pots down preflop is very +EV and always a good result. Apropos of 3betting bigger pre.

PS I was a little surprised by Sauce's default bet sizing which tended to be closer to pot than 2/3 pot many times. His reasoning was that he wants to stack people and getting the money in is the hard part or something like that. It was really very interesting. Sauce is my poker hero. I want to be like Sauce.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/poker-v...pokerstars.php

lol after watching this video I played a 4nl session 3betting like 25% and after two orbits all the other regs started 3betting a ton too. It was hilarious. Like every other hand got 3bet. Finally we had some big pots. I got stacked twice and stacked people 3 times. It was a lot of fun. I don't think it's something I could profitably do all the time tho.

One cool thing about watching videos by people on Sauce's level is just how much they think about during a hand. That's pretty motivating to participate in the forum, study, all that stuff.

About the hand: happy to call. I think he has a draw when he shoves more often than a flush. There's just way more hand combos and lots of regs play that way. As always there are only 9 combos of set which is practically negligible. And we have outs against everything. Plus some proportion of the time he is spazz shoving with only a pair if he feels you're bullying him. Overall good situation.

Originally Posted by abelardx

lol after watching this video I played a 4nl session 3betting like 25% and after two orbits all the other regs started 3betting a ton too. It was hilarious. Like every other hand got 3bet. Finally we had some big pots. I got stacked twice and stacked people 3 times. It was a lot of fun. I don't think it's something I could profitably do all the time tho.

Thanks for the video link - will watch that.

Yeah, after you've been hammering on a normal table like that and everyone starts getting out of line, you can just sit back and wait for a premium hand then get it in preflop against their JJ/AQ/Whatever. This incidentally, is a spot where you definitely do want to know your own range.

I'm folding. Villain certainly does not seem to be worried we have AK KK or AA. We're crushed.

Definitely 3betting bigger pre.

We've got just 17% equity v a made flush & 19% v a set of 2s. We're 65% v AxXd or KxXd.

Not sure how to work through the combos but this has got to be close surely? There aren't many combos of sets or flushes but a lot of combos of AxXd he could feasibly have?

Actually there are 45 combos of flushes on a monotone flop which is a lot, 5x as many as sets. But I would be impressed if villain raise/shoves the nuts. Possibly he has a small flush and doesn't want another diamond to roll off.

Originally Posted by abelardx

Actually there are 45 combos of flushes on a monotone flop which is a lot, 5x as many as sets.

I'm not sure you should include literally any 2 suited cards as possible flush combos, especially from a 17/11. You will skew your calculations pretty badly if you work it like this.

Tough to fold this and given the pot size already I would make the call.

Originally Posted by griffey24

I'm still 3b bigger pre Regardless of fish, this is not a hand I'm fist pump playing 3way oop.

As played, snap calling but prob not betting quite that big on flop.

Griffey. For the mOst part don't we wanna bet Big on mono s??? Butt I gUess 3b pot. So yeah maybe 2/3p huh

Just bet a size that allows you to comfortably get it in on blank turns. As soon as this flop comes down you should be thinking ok I want to get this in over 2 streets for a few reasons, SPR and board texture being the main ones.

Defo calling it off.

Originally Posted by Pascal

Not sure how to work through the combos but this has got to be close surely? There aren't many combos of sets or flushes but a lot of combos of AxXd he could feasibly have?

I don't think it's close. I think it's a clear fold. I expect villain to have a made flush here always. But what do I know?

Yeah this isn't a trap hand. Griffey's comments /threaded this one.