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  1. #1

    Default nasty spot on the flop with 40bb stacker and fullstack.

    PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 10.45, PFR: 8.46, 3Bet Preflop: 5.80, Hands: 204)
    SB: 106.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
    BB: 123.1 BB (VPIP: 17.82, PFR: 14.85, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 103)
    Hero (UTG): 100 BB
    UTG+1: 137.8 BB (VPIP: 12.42, PFR: 6.83, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 162)
    UTG+2: 39.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
    MP: 99 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
    MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.09, PFR: 13.83, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 94)
    CO: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 13.93, PFR: 13.43, 3Bet Preflop: 4.62, Hands: 204)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

    Hero raises to 3.5 BB, UTG+1 calls 3.5 BB, UTG+2 calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

    Flop: (12 BB, 3 players) 2 9 T
    Hero bets 7.5 BB, UTG+1 calls 7.5 BB, UTG+2 raises to 36.3 BB and is all-in, Hero??

    fullstack villian might have AK,AQ maybe even QQ and then all pairs i'm beating and obv sets.

    Vs 40 bb stacker who is a russian and unknow i'm inclined to call cuz he might do this with pairs i'm beating or 9x Tx , 78 , QJ , overs and a gutter like KQ maybe. Shoving light ish becuz of what he might perceive as ' dead money'

    meh. feedback much appreciated. thnx in advance
  2. #2
    Call for sure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Call for sure.
    Why? This is reasonably far down our range.

    If our UTG range is 66+, AJs, AQ+

    On the flop

    66-88 is 18 combos
    99-TT is 6
    JJ-AA is 24
    AJs is 4
    AQ+ is 8

    In total that's 60.

    Now not matter how you split that up in terms of your cbetting range, I'm pretty sure that we can fold JJ and not be making a mistake. Unless we're putting villain on a range when we just have no idea what an unknown short stack is shoving with at 10nl FR zoom.
  4. #4
    Just saw UTG+1 is a huge mega nit. This really depends on how you think utg+1 would play sets imo. If he's often raising flop, then I don't mind calling.

    I'm more worried about UTG+1 than short stacker shoving, who could be shoving Tx, QJs, KQs etc, and might not necessarily jam a set even given board is rainbow.

    ImSavy - I think it's close based on UTG+1 being sooo tight behind us, but that's a very tight UTG range you've given. I don't have pokerstove at work, what % of hands is 66+, AJs, AQ+. That feels like something around 7% to me?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post

    ImSavy - I think it's close based on UTG+1 being sooo tight behind us, but that's a very tight UTG range you've given. I don't have pokerstove at work, what % of hands is 66+, AJs, AQ+. That feels like something around 7% to me?
    Is full ring and that's what OP said he's opening on irc :P
  6. #6
    it's 10 nl zoom , yes i'm a huge nit UTG but i doubt villains realise ( one being unknown , other one being a massive overall nit , probably not really perceptive)
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Is full ring and that's what OP said he's opening on irc :P
    Secret IRC info is unfair imo

    Yah I didn't notice it was FR, I'm such a fish haha.

    I mean if you're a real sicko, you can jam and take UTG+1 off an overpair :P I wouldn't advise that though.

    In practice I think I call and then find a hero fold if UTG+1 comes back over the top.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  8. #8
    ugh i suck , i shoved in the hopes of making the nit fold worse, AK, AQ, and maybe QQ, KK... such fail. nit called ( had 222) , 40bb dude had T9 for top 2 LULZ micro's

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