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 Originally Posted by acg123
ok so where does the line get drawn of whether it is even profitable to open certain hands because if you get 3bet you have to fold? or then do you think that if you cant 4bet the hand then you shouldn't even be opening with it? what percentage of hands can we actually fold before we start losing money just by opening the action? I don't know if im wording my question right.
an example answer is " we can open x% of hands UTG and fold X% of that range and still be profitable
This all depends on a large number of factors, mainly the specific villain's range and bet size. The single most important skill for you to have at a poker game is the ability to put villains on ranges. This should be your primary focus. The way you play your own cards is a function of villains' ranges and pot odds.
We're not being rude or difficult when we fail to answer your questions here. The problem is that you're looking to generalize aspects of the game that simply can not be generalized. Without knowledge of odds and ranges, we cannot tell you how to play any hand "properly". We can only tell you that you're probably too loose or too tight or too passive or too aggressive. We simply can not give you more specific advice without more specific information.
I mean if you said:
Villain 3-bets A% of hands, will continue with B% of hands, and will fold (A-B)/A = C% of hands. Hero is facing a call of D into a pot of E.
At what % of folds, F, does Hero become exploitable against these pot odds? What is the range of value hands, G, that Hero should continue with? With what range of hands, H, should Hero be happy to fold such that H/(H + G) = F?
You see how much the ranges and odds matter there? This doesn't even consider a 4-bet, or post flop play.
Please read this:
spoonitnow's Mathematics of EV Thread
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