need so clarification.

Originally Posted by Cobra_1878

Wow, I must be playing way too tight UTG. Was looking at some of my stats last night and it seems I lose the most money from UTG...with my range being super tight is that possibly why or am I just going to lose more by widening my opening range?

My current UTG range would be something like 88+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo.

Is this 6max?

I don't see how playing too tight could ever be the reason for losing money from a non-blind position. Take it to the extreme. If you only play AA, would you expect to be losing from that position? You never have any forced outgoings and could literally shove preflop every time. You probably wouldn't win enough to cover your blinds, but you'd be positive from UTG (and a losing player overall).

If you are losing while playing a tight range then you are probably just struggling to play a tight range OOP. If that is the case then you probably need more work on playing good hands OOP before throwing in more marginal hands OOP.

If I were losing with that strong a range I'd be tempted to look at where my winnings come from. Am I getting folds with all of my strong hands and only getting action with TPTK when I valuetown myself vs a set? If this is the case then I probably want to play more hands which flop enough equity to push hard and allow people to fold to my not so strong hands. The Axs, 89s, KTs, type hands do this pretty well for me.

From UTG any suited broadways, most suited connectors and Axs are fair game for me. (Opening all SCs AND all Axs is too loose as a default - but choosing one of these groups is fine). If I'm getting 3bet and having to fold a lot then I will drop some of these. If I am being allowed to see flops and having people fold a lot on flops/turns/rivers then I will start to add in more of these hands. If I am really running over a nitty table then I will open any suited broadways, any SCs higher than 45s AND any Axs for semi-bluffability.

Which starting hands you should chose all depends on whether your money is coming from fish calling, or nits folding.

Originally Posted by Pelion

Is this 6max?

I don't see how playing too tight could ever be the reason for losing money from a non-blind position. Take it to the extreme. If you only play AA, would you expect to be losing from that position? You never have any forced outgoings and could literally shove preflop every time. You probably wouldn't win enough to cover your blinds, but you'd be positive from UTG (and a losing player overall).

If you are losing while playing a tight range then you are probably just struggling to play a tight range OOP. If that is the case then you probably need more work on playing good hands OOP before throwing in more marginal hands OOP.

If I were losing with that strong a range I'd be tempted to look at where my winnings come from. Am I getting folds with all of my strong hands and only getting action with TPTK when I valuetown myself vs a set? If this is the case then I probably want to play more hands which flop enough equity to push hard and allow people to fold to my not so strong hands. The Axs, 89s, KTs, type hands do this pretty well for me.

From UTG any suited broadways, most suited connectors and Axs are fair game for me. (Opening all SCs AND all Axs is too loose as a default - but choosing one of these groups is fine). If I'm getting 3bet and having to fold a lot then I will drop some of these. If I am being allowed to see flops and having people fold a lot on flops/turns/rivers then I will start to add in more of these hands. If I am really running over a nitty table then I will open any suited broadways, any SCs higher than 45s AND any Axs for semi-bluffability.

Which starting hands you should chose all depends on whether your money is coming from fish calling, or nits folding.

Yeah it's 6max. I'm not sure how to find my win rates using PT4, can only find bb/Hand when searching for hands by position and not sure if that's any good?

I agree that I am probably struggling playing OOP, in fact I'm definitely struggling. I'm not comfortable with it at all and have tried numerous things to try and change it up but haven't found a solution yet.