NFD Multiway IP.

BTN seems to be on the nitty side, MP and Blinds look like they are weak passive players however really small sample size so not a solid read by any means.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $12.96 (259.2 bb)
SB: $5 (100 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.31 (106.2 bb)
MP: $8.77 (175.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $6.13 (122.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6 A
UTG folds, MP calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN folds, SB calls $0.18, BB calls $0.15, MP folds

Flop: ($0.65) 5 K Q (3 players)
SB bets $0.40, BB raises to $1.20

Unsure about pre, I am pretty sure that I'm going to be playing the pot IP and I don't mind folding to aggression from the BTN. I do think I should be doing this with some Axs, but A6s is probably the worst so may be too wide.

When the flop comes and SB and BB take the following actions I'm pretty sure their ranges are quite strong (I do think some of the below should be discounted like AA, KK, AK, but this is just a rough idea)

If I put SB on a range of {QQ+,55,ATs+,KJs+,JsTs,Ts9s,AJo+,KJo+}
And BB on a range of {QQ+, 55, AK, KQ}

I have 31% equity against this range. I'm just unsure of the best way to play this. I don't think I have a huge amount/any fold equity against the BB and preferably would like the SB to come along too, but at the same time I'm lost if I call, the turn is a blank and I don't see any reason why BB wouldn't be betting the turn.

Originally Posted by ImSavy

BTN seems to be on the nitty side, MP and Blinds look like they are weak passive players however really small sample size so not a solid read by any means.

I think as soon as MP open limps, you can assign a strong probability of a passive fish.

Therefore, I think you can isolate, even if your hand isn't great, you have position and the initiative, and a not terrible hand.

Once you do isolate though, and get called by the blinds rather than the fish, I think you need to re-evaluate and be ready to just give up.

The flop is pretty much as good as you could have hoped for, but as you said the action in front of you is not great for you - I don't think you have any fold equity at all against BB, so you can either call and hope to get enough more money in when you do hit to make up for the insufficient direct pot odds, or you can just fold. I'm not sure which is better.

I'm leaning towards folding, because one of the reasons BB may be raising a big hand is because he wants the hand over before another spade can fall, so I think if you spike on the turn you're unlikely to get a lot more of his stack, and if you don't you're likely going to be faced with a big turn bet.

Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

I'm leaning towards folding, because one of the reasons BB may be raising a big hand is because he wants the hand over before another spade can fall, so I think if you spike on the turn you're unlikely to get a lot more of his stack, and if you don't you're likely going to be faced with a big turn bet.

I agree. The reverse implied odds here look horrendous.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I agree. The reverse implied odds here look horrendous.

What kickass says. The reverse implied odds in this hand is the % of times we make flush on turn only to be beaten by boat or quads on river.

I like playing A6s suited there. The flop action is definitely a big hand. It's equivalent to a turn raise in terms of a danger sign. So you're up against at least two pair and quite possibly a set. There's no drawing for cheap after that. Continuing here is essentially calling all-in which makes it a math problem. Do we have enough equity? Well: 1) we haven't put any money in yet just 4 blinds, 2) we don't have a made hand lol and we only get there a third of the time, 3) we can't assume both players come along so we can't count on 2:1 pot odds, and 4) even when we get there they have significant redraw equity. So that's a fold.

Wat?? ^^

Thats not what reverse implied odds are.

Well I think this is a *sigh* fold. I don't expect either player to have flatter with KK or QQ, so both of their ranges are set of 5s,45spades,KQ,or a combo draw(atleast gutshot with FD minimum). And if one of them has a FD that kills our equity. Preflop I think you played it right but OTF I think I fold and keep table on top(if multitabling) and take note of SBs reaction and hands at showdown if it gets there.it's sick I know but cold calling here just can't be profitable.

Originally Posted by kickass

Wat?? ^^

Thats not what reverse implied odds are.

Thanks, I thought it was something else. I get it now.

I meant that I think it's unlikely that Hero will get paid off when the FD completes.

pre is fine, so is limping behind
call flop > fold flop (but close) >>>>> raise flop.
Huge mistake to raise here

Originally Posted by daven

pre is fine, so is limping behind
call flop > fold flop (but close) >>>>> raise flop.
Huge mistake to raise here

Care to explain why this is? More so the first part, the raise being bad I understand.

And plans for after we call?

Originally Posted by ImSavy

Care to explain why this is? More so the first part, the raise being bad I understand.

And plans for after we call?

sorry, that was supposed to read fold flop > call flop
as per what ong said, with one addition = that sb is jamming a non-zero frequency when we call here

wtf call? We make our hand on the turn around one in six times, right? I'm going off memory. If that's the case, we're paying $7.20 trying to win bb's remaining $3.60 + $2.25 deadmoney...

We're pretty much always folding bricked turns, and even when we get there on the turn, we have to dodge the river boat at least sometimes.

How is calling ever good here?

the 'but close' bit is entirely reliant on op's read that there are flush draws and gutshots in sb's range and that he stacks off if he hits, but it isn't really that close. Fold.

Also, I can see bb having the non-A sf draw combos in his range too, which juices up our equity. But that's three combos, so it's a small % of his range. There's also tens and jacks on the turn we don't hate, but we're still going to find it tough getting the required implied odds. When we call flop, it looks so much like nut flush draw that I can even see 55 ragefolding at least sometimes when it's losing on river, especially when a naked ace or one spade beats him. I like to be aggressive with my nut flush draws, but that relies on fold equity, which we lack here. So we have to fold because calling or raising is setting money on fire.

Yeah the possibility of sb jamming does make calling a bit tastier for us... but I doubt he does with a great deal of frequency. I can see sb calling often when we call, I didn't factor that in when crunching numbers, but I still can't see that being enough justification. We need to be winning money off both with a high frequency when we hit, I would imagine we're falling way short. This feels like a clear sighfold to me. I'm folding AA here too without too much sweat.