Nit calls 3bet OOP, good draw

Villain is 19/13 over 140 hands, 5.9% 3bet, seen him 3bet 3 times so far and he's folded twice, hasn't 4bet yet. Has only folded to 33% (6 samples) of flop cbets.

Bet-call it off, or check it back?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $16.08 (64.3 bb)
SB: $29.29 (117.2 bb)
BB: $32.15 (128.6 bb)
UTG: $19.13 (76.5 bb)
MP: $26.23 (104.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $51 (204 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.75, 3 folds, MP calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.85) T 8 9 (2 players)
MP checks

Hero???

I don't really understand why we don't want to be betting here. I assume that you bet and he raised based on what you have described. I'm quite happy with a bet/call line depending on his size. There are lots and lots of cards we love.

Originally Posted by ImSavy

I don't really understand why we don't want to be betting here. I assume that you bet and he raised based on what you have described. I'm quite happy with a bet/call line depending on his size. There are lots and lots of cards we love.

Yeah, I did indeed bet-call, and I feel fine about that, but it made me think this might be a spot where I shouldn't automatically go into aggro stack-off mode with a great draw, because I've posted some other hands like that recently where people have told me to play them slower so I think I need to learn a bit more about when to play them really fast and when not to.

Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

Yeah, I did indeed bet-call

What do you mean?
A) You bet, Villain called
B) You bet, Villain raised, you called

I can't see any good reason to avoid playing for stacks here. There are so few hands that you are less than 40% against. Villain would have to call surgically thin for you to be in terrible shape if you get called.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

What do you mean?
A) You bet, Villain called
B) You bet, Villain raised, you called

B.

I bet, he jammed, I called it off. Not worried about that - happy to stack off, as you said I have great equity against basically anything, it's just that I wasn't sure if it was better to play it slower.

i dont understand this 3bet

Originally Posted by kickass

i dont understand this 3bet

Maybe I 3bet too much, but:

a. He's nitty as hell, so I can't really call

b. I just take it down preflop a lot.

Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

Maybe I 3bet too much, but:

a. He's nitty as hell, so I can't really call

b. I just take it down preflop a lot.

He's nitty as hell...
we can't call...
I believe there is another option other than 3b

As played easy bet/3bet

Originally Posted by griffey24

He's nitty as hell...
we can't call...
I believe there is another option other than 3b

You must be referring to this "fold" button everyone else seems to have.

On a serious note I do see what you mean, perhaps it's better to be 3betting him with a more polarised range because of his nittiness.

I wouldn't even consider folding this pre flop, which is interesting that neither of you think we can call profitably. My initial thinking would be we have position, villain is a nit and therefore likely to be face-up and passive post-flop and even a 10% opening has quite a lot of combos that miss the flop or can't continue oop. KQs also just flops so damn well too.

That said, if villain is opening a standard 10% from MP, KQs has 42% equity, which probably isn't enough to cold call given players behind left to act. We're also dominated by a third of a 10% openers range too, so maybe KQs isn't as playable as I thought against a tight opener.

I think its prolly a decent hand to bluff with if we cant call but I don't see villain actually folding very much esp if we 3b too much. Id prolly call ip life should be easy enough

Well well, I am surprised to hear people wanting to call this. It's like the nut reverse implied odds hand against a nit surely? Ok, I guess we do have position and as long as we don't stack off when he hit a K or Q we should be OK, but I think we'll end up calling quite a lot of flop cbets on Kxx/Qxx then nit-folding the turn.

I definitely, definitely don't want to call this.

3betting it I do like because it blocks so much, and when we get called it flops well and sometimes we can either continue aggression and take it down on the flop or turn, or we can try to play a small pot if we do get called and flop a pair.

What I don't like is that if we 3bet it and get called then make a pair, we're strong enough to be tempted to value town ourself, so that's why I say that perhaps although it has great blockers, maybe we should fold KQs here and rather 3bet with like K3s

Oh I think we can call profitably, but OP just said he didn't want to call so he defaulted to 3b. I was just pointing out that if you don't want to call a hand that there is always the fold option

Definitely calling pre. It's only a reverse implied odds hand if you always stack off when you hit, and never steal when you miss. Of the factors swaying me to call vs 3bet vs fold pre, button being 3bet happy/nitty or passive is much more important than the original opener imo (unless original opener is really really tight).

100bb deep, I think this is fine to b/c and buy some FE in an already fairly big pot when we can easily have straights/2 pairs, and villain is usually going to have overcards or an overpair. Even if we are deeper, this is such a horrible flop to c/c OOP that aggression still probably just buys us more FE, and when we are deeper we don't mind calling a c/r as much anyway.