Nit check-calls pairing turn, barrel river?

The problem with this particular turn card is the strength of his c/c range.

If the turn was some brick 6x, then I would say his turn c/c range is probably Jx, 8x some mid pair hand. Probably not top pair. I think ppl can convince themselves of letting go of mid/bottom pair to another river bet.

Now on a Jx turn people will show up with AA, AK/KQ and sometimes even Jx c/c the turn. So now they have a stronger c/c range AND the FD bricks AND you rep only Jx.

I like it much more if the flush gets there. Though note, after thinking about the above I do agree that our Tx doesn't have that much SD value on the river, but I still don't think we get enough folds.

And you don't need to rationalize disagreeing, that's the whole point of posting hands!

Originally Posted by griffey24

The problem with this particular turn card is the strength of his c/c range.

If the turn was some brick 6x, then I would say his turn c/c range is probably Jx, 8x some mid pair hand. Probably not top pair. I think ppl can convince themselves of letting go of mid/bottom pair to another river bet.

Agreed. I see how this turn makes his c/c range much stronger.

Now on a Jx turn people will show up with AA, AK/KQ and sometimes even Jx c/c the turn. So now they have a stronger c/c range AND the FD bricks AND you rep only Jx.

I like it much more if the flush gets there.

You see that really doesn't compute, so I obviously need to think about this more. I really don't like it if the flush gets there - I think after we flat the flop, we've decided to play a draw passively and are more likely to check behind the turn for the free card, so I think flatting the flop then betting turn with a supposed FD looks suspicious.

I can see how narrow we rep though, since I can't think of anything at all that {flat flop, bet turn when checked to} looks like other than Jx.

And you don't need to rationalize disagreeing, that's the whole point of posting hands!

Thanks! I just don't want to come across like I'm trying to rationalise or make excuses for my play - I mean, I'm here to learn, so yeah I'm often going to disagree, but it's not because I think I know better.