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Nutted draw multiway

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  1. #1

    Default Nutted draw multiway

    Is preflop sizing OK?

    What about flop sizing?

    Once the flop gets called by the button, are you jamming the turn and if not, what's your sizing?

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $26.88 (107.5 bb)
    SB: $18.20 (72.8 bb)
    Hero (BB): $49.77 (199.1 bb)
    UTG: $25 (100 bb)
    MP: $39.55 (158.2 bb)
    CO: $25 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
    UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero raises to $2, MP calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB folds

    Flop: ($8.25) 9 Q 3 (4 players)
    Hero bets $4.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $4.25

    Turn: ($16.75) 4 (2 players)
  2. #2
    My line here is bet turn around $11, shove any non Q river. Probably fishy but lol nut flush draw plus fold equity = spazz.

    Pre sizing looks great. We just 2bet to 8bb and got 3 calls! Raise more next time.
    Flop sizing also fine in that we can get stacks in by river without having to overbet.

    *edit - I just saw villain's satck, I was working from hero's stack as relative.

    Maybe turn I can bet smaller seeing as river shove is going to be small relative to pot if we bet turn $11 and I want him to be able to fold pair+draw hands that didn't improve.
    Last edited by OngBonga; 11-11-2013 at 10:49 AM.
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  3. #3
    Yeah, on turn villain has $20.63 behind and the pot is $16.75, which means if we're planning on bluff shoving the river unimproved, we can't really bet the turn at all.

    I'm not sure whether to just overbet shove the turn.

    Check-shove doesn't look great, since the pot is pretty bloated now and even if he makes it really small like $6 into nearly $17, we'd be shoving giving him $14 to call into $40.

    Perhaps, with the awkward sizes, the problem started on the flop - I think I made it small because I planned to shove over a flop raise and expected to have some fold equity if he makes it like $10 on the flop and I shove, so I think I bet smallish to induce, but on the other hand that seems like a really suck plan because he's not likely to be bluff raising much, anything he value raises he's not folding for another $15 into a big pot, so probably I should have just planned to shove the turn and made the flop like $5.50 to have around a pot sized turn shove left.
    Last edited by BorisTheSpider; 11-11-2013 at 11:01 AM.
  4. #4
    I'd probably go third pot on flop 4-way in a 3bet pot, which would make turn and river sizing a bit less awkward if we hit one of our outs.
  5. #5
    All-in on the turn for me. There aren't many good sizings that we can use here given remaining stacks and pot size.

    On the flop you should know you're going for two streets with this particular hand given pot size and stacks. $5.50-$6 flop, and jamming turn.
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    All-in on the turn for me. There aren't many good sizings that we can use here given remaining stacks and pot size.

    On the flop you should know you're going for two streets with this particular hand given pot size and stacks. $5.50-$6 flop, and jamming turn.
    Yeah I think this 100% based on villain's stack. If we were both 200bb deep, then turn $11 river shove weeeeeeee.
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