qq vs huge range on flushed board

[MadMojoMonkey]

Best resource: post hands and ask about bet-sizing.

It's all about charging Villains more when you have a reason to think they're drawing. When the board is such that most of Villain's range is made up of hands that are drawing to a straight or flush, then you want to bet an amount that makes calling and chasing that draw a bad gamble.

In general, a player is going to raise, fold, or call based on 1) their cards and 2) the board texture (QQ tends to shut down when an A or K comes out). The amount that they are willing to call is a distant 3 in their mind, maybe causing them slight hesitation before doing what they had already decided to do before they saw your bet amount.


So, when the board is wet (has lots of draws), you bet big.
Villains will call more than they should, so you make them pay for it big time.

When the board is dry (rainbow board, no straight draws), you bet small.
Villains will only continue with strong hands, so you don't want to spew into them.


Another upshot of this is that Villains will see you varying your bet size and assume you're doing it based on your hand strength. So you get even more benefit by exploiting their mistaken read.

[Zorkion]

Best resource: post hands and ask about bet-sizing.

It's all about charging Villains more when you have a reason to think they're drawing. When the board is such that most of Villain's range is made up of hands that are drawing to a straight or flush, then you want to bet an amount that makes calling and chasing that draw a bad gamble.

In general, a player is going to raise, fold, or call based on 1) their cards and 2) the board texture (QQ tends to shut down when an A or K comes out). The amount that they are willing to call is a distant 3 in their mind, maybe causing them slight hesitation before doing what they had already decided to do before they saw your bet amount.


So, when the board is wet (has lots of draws), you bet big.
Villains will call more than they should, so you make them pay for it big time.

When the board is dry (rainbow board, no straight draws), you bet small.
Villains will only continue with strong hands, so you don't want to spew into them.


Another upshot of this is that Villains will see you varying your bet size and assume you're doing it based on your hand strength. So you get even more benefit by exploiting their mistaken read.

So I may be mistaken here...but for most cases where the opp has a fd, lets say, isnt even betting 2/3 -ish enough to make it a bad gamble for them? I mean, theyll only hit their flush about 18% of the time, right? whereas they would need 40% equity to make it a breakeven call. I know implied odds will probably give them a little more value if i give them an more cash at that point, but thats another one of my weaker points. that is- mentally balancing implied odds vs pot odds.

@griffey24 (and others): So...I dont personally have any standard ranges that ever overbet the pot in any situation, except maybe when i have the nuts. Can you please give some examples of when an overbet might be appropriate? I honestly cant think of any.

@daven, carroters: why should we consider folding the turn here? Are we just folding to any raises from an opp like this when we dont have a very good hand? I know its helped my game to stop being such a calling station and generally give more respect to opps aggression, but sometimes I worry that I go from one extreme to another, and end up just shying away from any aggression whatsoever.


So..more about bet sizing though- One of the things I've taken to recently is just using 2/3 pot bets only, because i noticed that I tended to base my bet sizes more on the strength of my hands, and from in-game play i think some of my opps caught onto it. what should i do to improve this?