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 Originally Posted by griffey24
I think you need to define whale.
Aggro lunatic whale? Sure call and let him hang himself.
70/10/passive whale - He's probably not folding if you small 4b anyhow, so I would just 4b. Also if he's passive then you risk a turn checking through if your plan is to go for a c/r on any street.
If he's passive I'm def c/r flop.
I think he was an aggro whale as opposed to a loose passive whale. I mean look at how bad I got him to get his whole stack in from overplaying pocket 8's.
Well this may sound like weird or even bad reasoning, lately I've been flatting AA and KK against opponents with wide 3-betting ranges. What I'm hoping is that their inferior hand won't hit the board hard, I don't want to blow him off an inferior hand PF when I have their hand beat. Obviously they're going to out flop me sometimes and then I'm the one who gets stacked, but that just goes with playing the game. I have often wound up getting them to stack off with their marginal holdings when I don't 4bet with AA or KK, because IMO one of the draw backs of 4betting AA and KK against opponents with wide 3betting ranges, is I'm also playing my hand face up.
Take this with a grain of salt, I think there are always caveats to any strategy at a No Limit Texas Hold Em table, the game is unsolved after all.
Occasionally say I'm 50 hands or so into a game at the table, this might have more to do with the metagame, but if I'm finally dealt QQ, KK or AA, if I don't have a 3bet or 4bet dynamic, I won't 3bet or 4bet those hands because I believe I can get more value out of them going to later streets and showdown. If it's very uncharacteristic of my image to all of a sudden 3bet or 4bet out of nowhere an hour or so into the game, should I really be 3betting and 4betting with my most premium holdings?
One example where I did 4bet today, I had pocket 6's, and this villain in the blinds had a wide 3betting range, so I decided this was the time to 4bet, and if I get any action, short of flopping a set, give up. I think he put me on a much more premium holding when I 4bet his blinds 3bet. He wound up folding to my 4bet.
People who do have tight 3-betting ranges, you know like they're pretty much doing it with AQs+ AKo, QQ, KK and sometimes JJ, I do tend to 4bet them a lot more often, because they usually don't want to fold those hands anyways regardless if I 4bet them or not, and no sense in not making them pay for the chance to out flop me.
My leakbuster does say one of my worst leaks where I'm losing the most money is I don't 4bet near enough, but if I'm not 4betting enough, could we both agree that it's at least not without IMO good reasoning?
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