Top set on wet turn

Originally Posted by Pelion

Its really hard for him to have Jx on this flop. I'm certainly raising 88 though.

It sounds like you guys agree about raising turn as played, which is good.

It's harder for him to have Jx yeah but he has AJ KJ QJs JTs which is still 14 combos you can get value from. Then there are 18 overpair combos, 6 set combos and some amount of FD combos to nom, OM NOM NOM NOM. You can't nom many of these on spade turns, J turns or 4 straight run outs.

There aren't many hands you're going to get lots of later street value from that don't fall into the above.

Originally Posted by Carroters

It's harder for him to have Jx yeah but he has AJ KJ QJs JTs which is still 14 combos you can get value from.

Thats only 10 combos, and thats IF he raises KJo from MP which is a bit of a stretch. It's more likely going to be 7 combos of AJ, KJs-JTs or maybe J9s + some FDs. It's probably not bad given that there are overpairs as well, but I don't think it's a no brainer at all.

Note: I'm not ever thinking of folding the flop or anything. It's just if we want to sometimes slowplay to protect our weak range of calling hands on blank turns, then I don't think this is a bad hand to do it with.

Originally Posted by Pelion

Note:I'm not ever thinking of folding the flop or anything. It's just if we want to sometimes slowplay to protect our weak range of calling hands on blank turns, then I don't think this is a bad hand to do it with.

This is true if you ever want a set here in your calling range then this is the one to have. However, if you ever want to raise the flop your value range becomes [88] if you don't raise this hand. I'm not really worrying about any of that here though. This is generally not a board people are going to attack too light in my experience, hits your range pretty well etc so I wouldn't worry about protecting your calling range here at 25NL

Thanks for pointing out my combos error, been counting them all day working on ranges etc and still managed to somehow mess up.