weird spot 3bet pot after calling small xr on flop

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $38.65 (154.6 bb)
BB: $7.50 (30 bb)
UTG: $40.27 (161.1 bb)
MP: $28.04 (112.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $26.64 (106.6 bb)
BTN: $34.28 (137.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K K
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.20, 3 folds, MP calls $1.45

Flop: ($4.75) 4 A T (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.20, MP raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.30

Turn: ($15.75) A (2 players)
MP bets $20.34 and is all-in, hero?

Hi again. Once we get check/raised on the flop, I think I'm going to go ahead and let this one go because I'm not going to want to stack off with this hand, and my opponent isn't going to let me get through the next two streets just checking along.

Welcome to FTR!

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Player reads? Player pool reads? Current table dynamic?

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E.g. If you say Villain is 20/15/5, then tell us those are VPIP/PFR/3-bet, or whatever. This avoids confusion since different people use different stats.

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Without any additional info... the c/r on the flop from an MP opener is a little scary. There are plenty of Ax hands in an MP opening range.

Depending on how often he calls a 3-bet PRE, his range may be even more weighted with AXs type hands that can be relatively easy to play OOP. Whereas KX and QX hands make good openers, but can't handle much pressure post flop even with TPGK.

I don't think calling the c/r OTF is mandatory by any means. It's a rainbow flop with 2 broadways. What's he repping? not a flush draw. Is he gonna c/r no pair and a gutshot broadway draw? not many people do. Is he c/r with mid or bottom pair/good kicker? if not, then fold OTF.

If he just thinks you're FOS, then calling the c/r is terrible, you should be raising. He may have intended to c/r you on the flop regardless of what cards fell. That double broadway flop hits both of your repped ranges pretty hard. Metagame says that your range is probably wider than his. If he's aware of that, he's more likely to play more aggressively.

Having called OTF, have you ever seen this guy double barrel so strong with less than TPTK? If not, a fold OTT seems very standard here.

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I can only keep talking in circles and speculating without reads of some kind.

probably a bad spot to call his xr. but when the ace peeled ott , like wtf is he repping , and why is he ever XR the flop? it's not like i can call his xr with anything worse besides weakish Ax hands i decided to 3b bluff with. I don't really understand why he xr for value in this spot , seems rlly bad to me since i can't ever call him with anything worse than TP? Am i levelling myself? sidenote: villain unknown. ( hand was played on zoom )

Also why is villain shoving the turn if he has Ax? pretty easy for him to get stacks in otr if he just bets normally.

Originally Posted by hobo

like wtf is he repping
why is he ever XR the flop?
Am i levelling myself?
Also why is villain shoving the turn if he has Ax?

These are all excellent questions. If you answer them instead of asking them in exasperation, then the discussion that would ensue from that would be an excellent learning device.

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Originally Posted by hobo

sidenote: villain unknown. ( hand was played on zoom )

Personally, I don't think this is ever true. There should always be something you have to say about your villain.

If you truly have no info on this specific villain, that's OK. In that case, you include player pool reads.
A player pool read is where you broadly categorize from fish to reg. what you perceive to be the tendencies of players in that game on that site.

Different stakes, different sites, different games... they all have slightly different player pools. So it's not practical to assume everyone here knows about 6max 25NL ZOOM on stars.

There is no way to give you good advice that applies to all Villains. Different Villains will be outsmarted by different moves.

Ty for all the feedback , much appreciated. For some reason i have been thinking about this hand at work

Looking back at all the feedback and my own thought process while playing the hand i think simply folding the flop or not cbet it and then maybe call 1 bet would have been far more reasonable play.

Madmojo u are right about playerpool tendencies but it's pretty hard to make a judgement in a specific spot like this one.

Calling flop was definately a bit silly since i would have had to fold on a ton of turns in general.

Originally Posted by hobo

Madmojo u are right about playerpool tendencies but it's pretty hard to make a judgement in a specific spot like this one.

Don't worry about what the reads mean to you, just post them. Don't be afraid to be wrong or to revise your reads. Saying what you think with confidence, and holding by what you understand is good poker.

I make less progress than when I approach it like this: "I'm probably wrong, but this is what I think."
than when I approach the situation like this: "This is what I think, and I'm acting on it."

I mean... both are true... but one gives me a copout to make mistakes, and the other holds me accountable. I find the latter is better for my learning process.

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My point is:
Reads exist outside of any specific hand. Don't worry about what they mean within a hand when you make them.
Just establish reads.

This is a game of psychological warfare, not correct plays. Sure, there are correct plays, but only in the context of a battle between specific opponents.

set of tens probably, since theres no stats I would assume hes trying to GII good before the ugly river. lol
why not check the flop?