20+2. Ugly Turn.

***** Hand History for Game 2911567938 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16771307 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Friday, October 21, 21:51:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 67296 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: IModFTR ( $785 )
Seat 3: fmtkb ( $755 )
Seat 4: dave_rp ( $1625 )
Seat 5: ruken ( $785 )
Seat 6: Flenser7 ( $910 )
Seat 8: dave8127 ( $775 )
Seat 9: JPots ( $790 )
Seat 10: jdrols ( $1575 )
Trny:16771307 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to IModFTR [ Kd 8c ]
fmtkb folds.
>You have options at Table 68039 Table!.
dave_rp folds.
ruken folds.
Flenser7 calls [15].
dave8127 calls [15].
JPots folds.
jdrols calls [5].
IModFTR checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 8s, 8h ]
jdrols checks.
IModFTR checks.
Flenser7 checks.
dave8127 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
jdrols checks.
IModFTR checks.
Flenser7 bets [35].
dave8127 folds.
jdrols calls [35].
IModFTR ?????

Discuss

call. see how much he likes it on river.

Hi, price is g00t. See a river. Turn a trick.

-'rilla

it feels a little wrong to call tho.

Do u think an ace would have checked the flop? I think that most aces would have bet it so that makes me feel like they coudlnt have hit that ace.
But at the same time, they could hve thought that they had "omfg 2 pair" and "slowplayed" it.

Given the fact that they like limping aces dont you think that the caller could very conceiveably have the Ace?

Yes, good chance someone has an ace. But the murky waters can become so clear with a river.

-'rilla

ok so how would u play this
gimme a line!

bet flop 50% of time, check 50% of time.
bet turn 50% of time, check 50% of time.


guage action before deciding on if your hand is good.

ok but with my line right now.

wat do u think the action on the turn represents?

first level of a party sng..could be anything!

Originally Posted by vqc

ok but with my line right now.

wat do u think the action on the turn represents?

Your line is call and see a river.

I cant tell you what to do becuase it depends on what the action looks like leading to you.

Obviously, you check and see if Flensery bets. If Jdrols bets I auto fold. If Flensery bets and jdrols only calls, I call reasonably.

-'rilla

u fold to jdrols bet becuase he flat called turn representing a real hand (not a bluff).

flensery could really have a huge range of hands becuase his bet on the turn could have been air.

Right?

J's turn call represents nothing. But it's a set up for what could be a big hand.

Flen could be betting air still and that's why I'd probably call his river bet and not J's.

-'rilla

For cheap, call that.

it's cheap... call it... someof them might have J J or something...

the river will defenitely clear a lotta things up... especially if another ace or 8 come out...

Small pot, fuck it, I'm folding too. (Although I'm betting the flop 75%+ of the time and expect Ax to give me action.)

...ask any pot-limit hi/lo split player how uncool this situation is.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Small pot, fuck it, I'm folding too. (Although I'm betting the flop 75%+ of the time and expect Ax to give me action.)

...ask any pot-limit hi/lo split player how uncool this situation is.

if i bet the flop and get a caller, it makes it really easy for me to fold the turn right?

this was a very uncool situation, which is why i posted it!

Originally Posted by vqc

if i bet the flop and get a caller, it makes it really easy for me to fold the turn right?

Probably, but it depends on how much action went down on the flop. If you just took a little stab and got called, I might yeild to the power of position.