AK again - 3 handed (PS $5.50)

Riverstars had been playing semi-tight (~25-30% VPIP) at early levels but had opened up to ~50% at 75/150 blinds. Fatass had been loose (45% VPIP) and passive.

Is this unnecessary? Would a standard 3x BB raise and a push on the flop if called be better?

POKERSTARS GAME #4272630039: TOURNAMENT #21242134, HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2006/03/13 - 06:20:19 (ET)
Table '21242134 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: riverstarsme (6110 in chips)
Seat 7: taipan168 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: FATASSS220lb (4390 in chips)
taipan168: posts small blind 75
FATASSS220lb: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to taipan168 [Ad Kd]
riverstarsme: calls 150
taipan168: raises 2850 to 3000 and is all-in

dont like it, get value out of ur AK.

I just pop it to 450-600 there and look to get my chips in on any favourable flop.

Your M is high enough that you can afford to play AK without pushing pre-flop. Put in a standard raise and see what happens on the flop.

theres nothing wrong with it. its good if you can't play postflop

it's sort of fun. tough for either one to fold AT+.

do you guys really use those numbers in tourneys (VPIP,etc)? Just seems so situational to me.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

it's sort of fun. tough for either one to fold AT+.

do you guys really use those numbers in tourneys (VPIP,etc)? Just seems so situational to me.

I use them all the time. It can make the difference between a call and a push based on how tight the player is.

does it account for the fact that I'm raising 8 hands in a row HU?

limp in 3-way signifies a very weak (76s/22) HU hand or a strong hand that demands action (AQ+/99+). It can even be real trash like Q7s.

Only reason to push here is to get a call from AX. AX is a really weird hand to limp, but some people play wierd. Especially at $5.50.

I actually think you should min/raise here, for 3 reasons:
1) You don't want him to fold (he's not going to fold anything that is ahead of you)
2) If he wants to limp-re-raise, you can escape for the cheapest (although calling if the guys a donk is fine too)

You cannot complete because of the third player. If he's really loose in the BB, I guess you have to bump it to 3x.

Thanks for the comments guys. This was the whole hand, do you think I would have had more fold equity if I had made it 600 to go and pushed the flop?

As an aside, lol about opp's screen name...

POKERSTARS GAME #4272630039: TOURNAMENT #21242134, HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL V (75/150) - 2006/03/13 - 06:20:19 (ET)
Table '21242134 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: riverstarsme (6110 in chips)
Seat 7: taipan168 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: FATASSS220lb (4390 in chips)
taipan168: posts small blind 75
FATASSS220lb: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to taipan168 [Ad Kd]
riverstarsme: calls 150
taipan168: raises 2850 to 3000 and is all-in
FATASSS220lb: folds
riverstarsme: calls 2850
*** FLOP *** [9d 6c 7c]
*** TURN *** [9d 6c 7c] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [9d 6c 7c 3c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
taipan168: shows [Ad Kd] (high card Ace)
riverstarsme: shows [Qc Jd] (a pair of Queens)
riverstarsme collected 6150 from pot
riverstarsme said, "man i love my name"

nh gg
You would MUCH rather him call pre-flop as a 2:1 dog than fold on the flop!

3x push flop hope he doesnt hit

Originally Posted by drmcboy

do you guys really use those numbers in tourneys (VPIP,etc)? Just seems so situational to me.

Sure, I use the PT stats more to to confirm my reads of players early on. When it gets shorthanded/bubble time I mostly just go with my reads and ignore the numbers. Gets a bit screwed up when you play somebody more than once and they switch gears during the tourney but at the $5.50s that doesn't happen too often.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

does it account for the fact that I'm raising 8 hands in a row HU?

By the time I get to HU I'm ignoring PT anyway

Originally Posted by taipan168

Originally Posted by drmcboy

do you guys really use those numbers in tourneys (VPIP,etc)? Just seems so situational to me.

Sure, I use the PT stats more to to confirm my reads of players early on. When it gets shorthanded/bubble time I mostly just go with my reads and ignore the numbers. Gets a bit screwed up when you play somebody more than once and they switch gears during the tourney but at the $5.50s that doesn't happen too often.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

does it account for the fact that I'm raising 8 hands in a row HU?

By the time I get to HU I'm ignoring PT anyway

You can always have PAHUD filter the stats based on how many players are left. So if somebody changes gears at the bubble then have PAHUD show their bubble stats, etc. Im not exactly how it works for PAHUD/PT as I use pokeroffice, but I know it can be done, so it can account for "changing gears" in play