Bubble, decent stack - AK

I've been playing tight for most of this tournament.
2.00$ Buy in with rebuys till 1st break.

14 players left, 13 get paid.
13-10 do not make a profit for me, I need 9th or better to make a profit. Either way, 13-10 give me back 7 of the 8$ i used in this event.

Blinds are 800 / 1,600 with a 100 ante

Stage #492905034 Tourney ID 1203059 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $800 - 2006-09-08 11:32:26 (ET)
Table: 6 (Real Money) Seat #9 is the dealer
Seat 3 - VIVA53 ($32795 in chips)
Seat 4 - SEXY_ONE ($52867.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - BUCSNORT ($10225 in chips)
Seat 6 - SJON85 ($48027.50 in chips)
Seat 7 - SUPER_MONKEY ($28830 in chips)
Seat 8 - 64 SCORPIO ($8430 in chips)
Seat 9 - PLAINFOZZY ($29605 in chips)
VIVA53 - Ante $100
SEXY_ONE - Ante $100
BUCSNORT - Ante $100
SJON85 - Ante $100
SUPER_MONKEY - Ante $100
64 SCORPIO - Ante $100
PLAINFOZZY - Ante $100
VIVA53 - Posts small blind $800
SEXY_ONE - Posts big blind $1600
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SUPER_MONKEY [Kh Ad]
BUCSNORT - Calls $1600
SJON85 - Folds
SUPER_MONKEY - Raises $4800 to $4800
64 SCORPIO - Folds
PLAINFOZZY - Folds
VIVA53 - Folds
SEXY_ONE - Calls $3200
BUCSNORT - Calls $3200
*** FLOP *** [Kd 9c 7d]
SEXY_ONE - Bets $4800
BUCSNORT - Folds
SUPER_MONKEY - All-In(Raise) $23930 to $23930



Sexy One wasn't a very good player, got lucky on two hands I saw. He or She called down a flush draw with just an 8 high as well as put all his or her chips in with A6 with an A on board.

Thoughts?

I like the play, if you lose to trips or a flush draw, or two pair (K9s) is the only one I can see calling, then it's just not your day. You can also reverse suckout if he's on the flush draw with your Ad. I can's see a open ended flush draw here, but if he's a major donkey he might have something like QJs, maybe even diamonds.

standard.

I actually wouldnt push there on the flop. I'd just smooth call. When you are on the bubble like this and you get a huge hand, I try and extract as much as possible and if I get bad beat, oh well.

Esepcially with your Ad, even if he does have a flush draw, you have one of his outs. Just smooth call the flop, if he doesn't fire on the turn, then that's when you can push.

Thankyou for the advice.

Hypothetical:

I call, turn brings nothing scary, lets say 3 of clubs, He fires again... between 10,000 and All in.

What do you do?

That's a pretty weak bet by sexy on the flop. Either weak like second pair/Kx/FD or monster like 2 pair or set. I would have just reraised here to see what sexy does. Can you lay down TPTK if you reraise and sexy then puts you all in or calls and puts you all in on later streets? Sure you can, because the weak bet on the flop and then the crazy action should have told you something. Sexy has ~53k in chips and you are saying he’s not a good player. Maybe so, but he must not be that bad and I would guess he’s a sneaky player and likes to slowplay or try to trap.

Also, why not raise it up a little bit more pre-flop since there was a limper? You can’t always assume that UTG or UTG+1 people have a monster when they limp unless you have seen that person do this before. I say this because some people only raise 3xbb after an early limper because they are afraid that they have a monster. So they raise 3xbb so they can fold to a reraise from early limper. I can’t play this way when I have a very good hand and almost a monster in its self. Raise it strong (3xbb+1bb) because of the limper and try to see the flop with only one other opponent. You will know where you stand more often when you do this.

Originally Posted by Phantaroth

Thankyou for the advice.

Hypothetical:

I call, turn brings nothing scary, lets say 3 of clubs, He fires again... between 10,000 and All in.

What do you do?

At that point I am easily all-in.

Thanks, i'll try to do that in the future.

I shouldn't say they arn't a good player. But they doubled up twice on suck outs... and showed down 83s and A6os after the re buy period so I couldn't peg them as a TAG player...

I think a smaller re-raise is probley the right move...

But then again, some things worry me...

This person as I said has a wide range of hands pre-flop.

And can I really get away from this if the turn is a blank in a $2 Re buy? I dunno, maybe I have to work on my game and make these type of lay downs.

Thanks for the good advice everyone.

Results:
I push, they call and show 77, and it holds and I lose on the bubble.

I'm a little frustrated as I have bubbled two SnG and a MTT so far today...

Originally Posted by Sprayed

That's a pretty weak bet by sexy on the flop. Either weak like second pair/Kx/FD or monster like 2 pair or set. I would have just reraised here to see what sexy does. Can you lay down TPTK if you reraise and sexy then puts you all in or calls and puts you all in on later streets? Sure you can, because the weak bet on the flop and then the crazy action should have told you something. Sexy has ~53k in chips and you are saying he’s not a good player. Maybe so, but he must not be that bad and I would guess he’s a sneaky player and likes to slowplay or try to trap.

There is no way you can or should fold here. You are down to 23k after your preflop raise. The pot is at about 15k. If you reraise sexy (even a minraise) you are down to about 13k and the pot will be over 35k. If you run into a cooler, so be it. But you can't fold a premium hand like this late in a tourney when the blinds are so high.

His push wasn't horrible - my advice for the call is simply that I don't think you have to get all your chips in here at some point - I'd rather do it later than earlier because this is a hand where you actually can expect to double up (i.e. you don't really want to chase out draws).

Originally Posted by Phantaroth

Thanks, i'll try to do that in the future.

I shouldn't say they arn't a good player. But they doubled up twice on suck outs... and showed down 83s and A6os after the re buy period so I couldn't peg them as a TAG player...

I think a smaller re-raise is probley the right move...

But then again, some things worry me...

This person as I said has a wide range of hands pre-flop.

And can I really get away from this if the turn is a blank in a $2 Re buy? I dunno, maybe I have to work on my game and make these type of lay downs.

Thanks for the good advice everyone.

Results:
I push, they call and show 77, and it holds and I lose on the bubble.

I'm a little frustrated as I have bubbled two SnG and a MTT so far today...

Watch for the weak bet next time and ask yourself what type of player this person is. Like I said, your description of him was telling me that he's usually strong when he's weak and likes to be tricky. In the heat of battle it's hard for me to get away from this and currently is something that I'm working on.

Originally Posted by chardrian

Originally Posted by Sprayed

That's a pretty weak bet by sexy on the flop. Either weak like second pair/Kx/FD or monster like 2 pair or set. I would have just reraised here to see what sexy does. Can you lay down TPTK if you reraise and sexy then puts you all in or calls and puts you all in on later streets? Sure you can, because the weak bet on the flop and then the crazy action should have told you something. Sexy has ~53k in chips and you are saying he’s not a good player. Maybe so, but he must not be that bad and I would guess he’s a sneaky player and likes to slowplay or try to trap.

There is no way you can or should fold here. You are down to 23k after your preflop raise. The pot is at about 15k. If you reraise sexy (even a minraise) you are down to about 13k and the pot will be over 35k. If you run into a cooler, so be it. But you can't fold a premium hand like this late in a tourney when the blinds are so high.

His push wasn't horrible - my advice for the call is simply that I don't think you have to get all your chips in here at some point - I'd rather do it later than earlier because this is a hand where you actually can expect to double up (i.e. you don't really want to chase out draws).

I agree with the call line better than my reraise. I was a little hasty on the reraise advice, but I still stick with my original notion that I wouldn't go broke here on this hand and I would be questioning the weak bet by sexy. I think that a smooth call on the flop would be fine and then even a blank on the turn and he pushes should be telling you that your TPTK is no good. I don't care how much is in the pot, you still have chips and you're not out of it if you fold on the turn or river to pressure. Now, could I do this, probably not , but that is why we are discussing this right now so that we can slow down the next time and see what's going on.

"Sexy One wasn't a very good player, got lucky on two hands I saw. He or She called down a flush draw with just an 8 high as well as put all his or her chips in with A6 with an A on board. "

With this read - I don't think you can fold. Yes you might be against a set, but you could also easily be up against any flush draw, as well as hands like TK, JK, QK, etc.

The only problems with posting hands is that more often than not people post their losing hands, and the gallery will make very astute reads saying why they should fold. If hero had pushed and got called by QK here, everyone would just say standard. When he pushes and gets called by a set we find sneaky bets that should alert us.

Originally Posted by chardrian

"Sexy One wasn't a very good player, got lucky on two hands I saw. He or She called down a flush draw with just an 8 high as well as put all his or her chips in with A6 with an A on board. "

With this read - I don't think you can fold. Yes you might be against a set, but you could also easily be up against any flush draw, as well as hands like TK, JK, QK, etc.

The only problems with posting hands is that more often than not people post their losing hands, and the gallery will make very astute reads saying why they should fold. If hero had pushed and got called by QK here, everyone would just say standard. When he pushes and gets called by a set we find sneaky bets that should alert us.

Not so fast! Don't try to downplay my statements like there wasn't any clue there and I'm being RO because he lost.


Is it wrong to try and get ourselves to be familiar with the types of moves and players that we will face. I think that this is a hand that people can learn from and save themselves from busting out. Play it safe like your suggestion and then I wouldn't fault a fold to a push by villain on turn or river if you don't improve. Now if you hit two pair or trips by river it's a different story. Phantaroth, I don't think it's a bad push, I was just saying that the weak bet could be a sign for trouble.

Good day sirs......I said good day!!

Wasn't trying to downplay what you were saying, and I agree the villain's betting pattern makes me turn into my shemale self (balls go up into my gut) - it is definitely a sign of either strength or weakness.

All I am trying to say is that there are often situations in poker - especially in MTTs online, where you just cannot and should not get away from hands. I think this is one of those hands.

If stacks were deeper and blinds were smaller, I could be convinced that calling an all-in or pushing here would be bad. But in this situation, I really don't think you can or should get away from this hand.

Originally Posted by chardrian

Wasn't trying to downplay what you were saying, and I agree the villain's betting pattern makes me turn into my shemale self (balls go up into my gut) - it is definitely a sign of either strength or weakness.

All I am trying to say is that there are often situations in poker - especially in MTTs online, where you just cannot and should not get away from hands. I think this is one of those hands.

If stacks were deeper and blinds were smaller, I could be convinced that calling an all-in or pushing here would be bad. But in this situation, I really don't think you can or should get away from this hand.

I respect and accept your thoughts and kind words. I thought that we were going down a lambchop and ReLoaDed path and Xianti would lock the MTT Tactics Forum. Sheesh :P

That was your fighting post?

No one even noticed Good poker face

Originally Posted by Sprayed

Originally Posted by chardrian

Wasn't trying to downplay what you were saying, and I agree the villain's betting pattern makes me turn into my shemale self (balls go up into my gut) - it is definitely a sign of either strength or weakness.

All I am trying to say is that there are often situations in poker - especially in MTTs online, where you just cannot and should not get away from hands. I think this is one of those hands.

If stacks were deeper and blinds were smaller, I could be convinced that calling an all-in or pushing here would be bad. But in this situation, I really don't think you can or should get away from this hand.

I respect and accept your thoughts and kind words. I thought that we were going down a lambchop and ReLoaDed path and Xianti would lock the MTT Tactics Forum. Sheesh :P

FMP
Does that make more sense?