Pot committed on blind steals

PokerStars Game #1920345262: Tournament #8871223, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/06/17 - 20:55:52 (ET)
Table '8871223 24' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Un Ltd. (7150 in chips)
Seat 2: RunninBear (44476 in chips)
Seat 3: BPA234 (32750 in chips)
Seat 4: kingkor (24799 in chips)
Seat 5: Merlion (3465 in chips)
Seat 6: BigBamse (11665 in chips)
Seat 7: xXxDAREDEVIL (21315 in chips)
Seat 8: Stap1e Gun (11070 in chips)
Seat 9: jrspin (24422 in chips)
Un Ltd.: posts the ante 50
RunninBear: posts the ante 50
BPA234: posts the ante 50
kingkor: posts the ante 50
Merlion: posts the ante 50
BigBamse: posts the ante 50
xXxDAREDEVIL: posts the ante 50
Stap1e Gun: posts the ante 50
jrspin: posts the ante 50
jrspin: posts small blind 300
Un Ltd.: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stap1e Gun [Tc 6d]
RunninBear: folds
BPA234: folds
kingkor: folds
Merlion: folds
BigBamse: folds
xXxDAREDEVIL: folds
Stap1e Gun: raises 1800 to 2400
jrspin: folds
Un Ltd.: raises 4700 to 7100 and is all-in


Well, am I pot commited? I had stolen from this guy once before, and he had showed little aggression. But with my 2400, and 800 dead in the pot im calling 4700 for a 15k+ pot. I figured he had at least 1 over, maybe 2. Do you call?

A little better than 3:1 to decide your tourny with T6o?

-'rilla

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

A little better than 3:1 to decide your tourny with T6o?

-'rilla

Well Im a shortstack If I fold here, Im basically either folding and hoping I catch cards later, or calling and hoping I catch cards now.

I had enough chips left to recover, but it would have been hard, and theres also a possibility he had low pockets, making it a coinflip and a definate call.

You are raising to much to steal. Make it 3xBB, and if u get pushed all in you can still reevaluate ur stacks and ur play.

getting 3:1, you are essentially paying 25% of the pot.
Against the top 10% of hands you are about 27% to win with T6o
Against the top 20% of hands you are about 29% to win. Both are higher than 25%.

So technically, pot odds dictate you call. Harrington lovesssss pot odds. I do not.

By the way you are NOT pot committed.

If you fold you are at 8k. Which leaves u a decent M of 10 (ill let u figure out what that means once u get HoH 2). You can still play and live afterwards even if you fold.

Recap
Dont raise that much to steal.
You can fold and still be ok, you are NOT pot committed.
You can call becuase the pot odds are there.

And yes, I pimp HoH2 hard.

Blinds are 300/600. You'll be left with 8k.

It's an easy fold.

-'rilla

Well, I called because I really expected a coinflip, in which case i will easily call 3500 into a 14k pot, but if it wasnt a coinflip, I figured I had at least 40% odds of taking it down, thinking he had something like A-3 or K-9.

Much to my suprise he had 6-8 which my 10-6 dominated. I know I got lucky that he really didnt have anything, but I think that my play was justified (only because of my oversized blind steal which was a bad move). Thanks for all the input though.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Blinds are 300/600. You'll be left with 8k.

It's an easy fold.

-'rilla

getting better than 3:1 to call, its an easy call. pot odds rule.

As usual I'm with the callers...CALL

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Blinds are 300/600. You'll be left with 8k.

It's an easy fold.

-'rilla

getting better than 3:1 to call, its an easy call. pot odds rule.

Gabezor, when its a big part of ur stack, is it always a good idea to call? Even if its 3:1? Is there a point where his stack is too small to warrant a call? Do pot odds only rule when calling all ins? I dont chase most straights and flushes even with "good" pot odds early on.

The pot is big enough so that the few times you win, you will have a really nice stack, so that evens out from the times you have a really short stack.

I might fold somtimes if the player is really tight and i know they have a big pair, but that's rare.

Yea, I dont think the pot odds matter so much when its a big part of your stack. But I figured with blinds goin up quick I was gonna need to make a move soon. I figured this was a better chance than waiting aroung for AK.