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PokerStars Game #3252645519: Tournament #16033082, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/12/05 - 21:24:17 (ET)
Table '16033082 4' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Rinehart (8130 in chips)
Seat 2: lindley (13440 in chips)
Seat 3: badhabit22 (8790 in chips)
Seat 4: funkyfresh76 (6930 in chips)
Seat 5: chansmaster (5110 in chips)
Seat 6: Marinersheep (15825 in chips)
Seat 7: cuthbertt (9580 in chips)
Seat 8: tctct (3915 in chips)
Seat 9: dreamline211 (5425 in chips)
chansmaster: posts small blind 100
Marinersheep: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cuthbertt [2s 6d]
cuthbertt: folds
tctct: folds
dreamline211: folds
Rinehart: raises 400 to 600
lindley: folds
badhabit22: folds
funkyfresh76: folds
chansmaster: raises 800 to 1400
Marinersheep: raises 4600 to 6000
Rinehart: folds
chansmaster: ???

Originally Posted by drmcboy

cuthbertt is sitting out
dreamline211: folds
cuthbertt is connected
cuthbertt has returned
...
cuthbertt is sitting out
cuthbertt is connected
cuthbertt has returned
...
chansmaster:

lag out again and fold.

my table hand't loaded the pictures, was trying to get them up.

EDITED so people will read the hand.

Whats your hand?...

"Dealt to cuthbertt [2s 6d]"

put these guys on hands. My hand is not at issue.

I posted this because I think the action pretty clearly lays out what they have.

Let me define it a bit more.

What range do you give Marinersheep?

What would you call with if you're chansmaster?

Originally Posted by drmcboy

What range do you give Marinersheep?

A very good hand. Jacks minimum, *maybe* AK; most likely QQ+.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

What would you call with if you're chansmaster?

Aces or kings and nothing else.

This is pretty straight-forward, right? We have a standard raise (3xBB), a reasonable re-raise from the SB - almost certainly not a bluff, re-raises from the small blind are rarely bluffs - and then a mega-re-raise from the BB, also almost certainly not a bluff (since he knows the small blind will probably call based on how much of his stack is already in the pot, and based on his prior show of strength). Without reads we're assuming they're not horrible horrible fish, so this is easy.

Looking at the stacks and level I assume we are in the first hour of the FO part of a rebuy. Lots of donk plays at this point, but without a read I give the benefit of the doubt. Mariner is raising a raise so he should have a very very good hand here. Because he is the chip leader he may be making a play with a PP as low as TT (maybe even down to 88?). I doubt he would reraise with a hand like AQs - he would just call with position. So I give him a range of hands of TT-AA;AK.

With a smallish stack and the obvious opportunity to double up here, I am pushing with QQ or higher if I am chans and due to pot odds I am calling with AK. JJ would be scarier - at this level I might call given the chance that Mariner might just be willing to gamble with almost anything given his stack advantage. Anything else and I fold.

chansmaster has AA KK QQ

mariner has AA KK QQ AK JJ TT

We need stakes to answer this--and if its a rebuy or not. But here goes: Chan wants a call. Hence he has AA, KK, QQ, unless he's a fool (probably KK). Mariner Must know this and can then shove *only* KK or AA. With a lean towards AA.
If this is a rebuy however, They could have any 2 decent cards--suited connecters or small pp or Axs.

Originally Posted by Aquinas

Chan wants a call. Hence he has AA, KK, QQ, unless he's a fool (probably KK). Mariner Must know this and can then shove *only* KK or AA. With a lean towards AA.

i agree with the part about chan, but mariner just raising to put chan allin makes me think he is overplaying a hand. i'm not ruling out AA KK, but it could easily be a donkish AK or as low as JJ.

It's level 6, so it's not the rebuy hour anymore (at least I don't Stars has tourneys that have blinds increasing every 10 minutes).

chan might just want to isolate here - his range is much less defined than mariner's IMO; whereas you guys have it the other way around.

he made a small reraise, what hands usually make a small reraise??

mariner's reraise just put chan allin, which is a pretty large raise. the large raise makes me think he just likes his hand but isn't confident in it enough to play postflop.

Originally Posted by gabe

he made a small reraise, what hands usually make a small reraise??

mariner's reraise just put chan allin, which is a pretty large raise. the large raise makes me think he just likes his hand but isn't confident in it enough to play postflop.

I guess you think only huge hands make a small reraise - I disagree. In this position as the SB, a small reraise almost always effectively knocks out the BB (it is a 7x BB bet) and makes the hand heads up, a call on the other hand gives the big stack BB much more incentive to also call and make a good heads up hand like 88 or 99 much worse against two opponents. I.e. chan could easily have a hand like 88 or AQ here and just wants to play post flop but leaves himself with enough to fold if necessary.

Similarly, BB should know that chan has a good hand here as well, and his hand is good enough that he wants it heads up against a smaller stack, but he doesn't want the guy (Rinehart) who has over half his stack involved. So he just makes a monster re-raise to isolate with what he thinks is a hand that will win.

what dale said.

Chan had QQ, looked at it for a looong time - I turned to my wife and said " This guy should fold his QQ, but he just can't"

Mariner had AA. Ironically, KK (which is the lowest I think you can call with here) would have made a set.

This was a 20 Rebuy, after rebuy period