Christmas Carnage II

Oh, Hello.
You just arrived, didn't you?
I'm Toriel. I can show you the ways around here.

The first thing you need to do is to tell me 2 numbers and a request for a specific player to have a specific role. Only positive integers, please. No negative numbers and no decimals, either.

Thank you for trusting me on this.

Oh? Yes, I see how that may have been confusing.
The players you may choose are:
BID
boog
gabe
Hoopy
JKDS
rascal
ong
philly??
rilla
SMF

Again? The roles you may choose are:
[anything MMM can reasonably understand, please use common terms like vig, angel, role blocker, etc.]

Hmm. You want to know about the numbers? Well, I wasn't going to tell you, but since you are so curious:
I will look at all of your requests, but I will only choose a few of them to grant. I do not have the strength to grant all of your wishes, but I may be able to harness enough to grant 2 or 3. I hold you all in equally high esteem, and I couldn't bear to choose among you. So I created a little game to help me choose.

I will grant the wishes of the lowest numbers which are submitted for a wish. However, I will not grant the wish of any repeated numbers. Unless I have enough power to grant a wish to all of the non-repeated numbers and still have some strength left. Then I will look at the lowest matched number and pick the lowest of their 2nd numbers.

So if 4 people submit:
Andy: 1 1
Beth: 2 1
Chad: 1 2
Dave: 3 500

Then I would grant the wishes in this order:
Beth
Dave
Andy
Chad

You see? I will wait for your requests. When I have them all, we can continue.

Interesting. You are all more alike than you'd ever guess, I think.

Now for the final preparations before I set you off on your own in this land.

One more time, I want you to send me 2 numbers and a request. This time, I want you to request which among you will have a private alliance. This private alliance will be the most noble warriors among you, who will share a bond greater than the rest, but at a cost. The toll it will place on their minds and bodies will be great. Perhaps too great, but I fear we have no choice. There are great dangers in the world, and I can not protect you from any of them beyond my guidance now.

Please tell me your requests.

When I have the results, I will give you my final words of advice before you head out on your own.

Thank you all so much. I have granted all of the wishes that I can. The rest is up to you. I will not be joining you any further on your journey.

You don't have to go, you know. I have so many more mini-games we can play.
You could stay here with me, forever.

I do get lonely here... waiting for travelers to pass through.

...

Well. It seems your hearts are set.

My final advise to you is this:

If you mention anything about sending a PM with numbers in it, I will consider that a mod-killable offense.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Thank you all so much. I have granted all of the wishes that I can. The rest is up to you. I will not be joining you any further on your journey.

You don't have to go, you know. I have so many more mini-games we can play.
You could stay here with me, forever.

I do get lonely here... waiting for travelers to pass through.

...

Well. It seems your hearts are set.

My final advise to you is this:

If you mention anything about sending a PM with numbers in it, I will consider that a mod-killable offense.

I'm going to run at the mod-kill, since we're handicapped by this inability to talk about game design, but gabe did not peek me wolf. What JKDS hinted was that he tried to get Boog to 'rand' wolf, and later gabe hinted that he did the same.

Modkill me for it if you want, MMM, I don't care.

If gabe peeked anyone anything it was JKDS as a villager as he was willing to invest a lot in JKDS's 'less than random' read.

If he peeked me wolf, why does he jump on the wagon I was building early on on Boog and never leave it? Why does he believe there's always a wolf between Boog and I when Boog snapsback at me and I go looking at others to find wolves?

There's another side to the "drrr gabe died - it makes rilla look bad because rilla is a wolf" it's "drrr gabe died - it makes rilla look bad because he's a villager"

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Modkill me for it if you want, MMM, I don't care.

***
I am not trying to hobble you, just prevent a game-breaking mass outing where everyone tells their numbers and requests and the wolves are obvious at that point.

Saying something akin to , "I feel [certain things] about [someone], but I can't put my finger on exactly what post makes me feel this way." cannot be a modkillable offense, since it couldn be an honest statement about the game thread.



I simply can not be so lenient about the numbers.
If I find a that anyone has coded their numbers into a post, that will be a mod-kill.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

***
I am not trying to hobble you, just prevent a game-breaking mass outing where everyone tells their numbers and requests and the wolves are obvious at that point.

Saying something akin to , "I feel [certain things] about [someone], but I can't put my finger on exactly what post makes me feel this way." cannot be a modkillable offense, since it couldn be an honest statement about the game thread.



I simply can not be so lenient about the numbers.
If I find a that anyone has coded their numbers into a post, that will be a mod-kill.

Can we say "I bid MMM moderator on round 1/2"? and can we add, "and I bid well."

I think yes because I could be lying, so it doesn't appear game breaking.

Greetings, err, humans.

I am Metaton.

You all know the rules, here.

Do not talk about the game outside of this thread, unless specifically instructed to do so.
There is no punishment for self-votes.

Do not discuss any PMs sent to or by MadMojoMonkey.


Days will last 48 hours, nights 24. There will be extensions on the weekends.

Werewolf time

Thread is open.

D1 ends Sunday. I think the best time for EOD is ~10:00 PM GMT. This puts me (in St Louis) at 4:00 PM. East Coast would be 5:00 PM and West Coast would be 2:00 PM.

This is the best compromise I can find to make EOD after noon and before midnight for all players.

If anyone wants me to change the timing of EOD, please send me a PM.


As of now, D1 ends on Sunday at 10:00 PM GMT.

Unusual opening post from gabe.

Would like to hear more from others.

lynch gabe

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Unusual opening post from gabe.

Would like to hear more from others.

lynch gabe

BID is a wolf.

Game so ez.

Agreed. Therefore, lynch boog.

Can we talk about the elephant in the room?

There is a man. Nay, a monster. This monster terrorizes ftr like a honeybadger with a cold, yet we do nothing. It is high time we put a stop to this clownery. So I say rise up! Lynch this shady fucker once and for all.

lynch boog

Remember, a lynch for boog is a lynch for a better community.

It has been 3 whole minutes since boog has been accused, yet he does nothing. He continues to hide in the shadows like a vengeful chuckie doll. How long are we to let him lord that >70% 2015 winrate over our heads???

We must act now!

Well, hold up there, Jkids. Boog is a slow thinker. It takes him a while to figure out how he's going to express himself and we shouldn't discourage him for taking his time.

Rilla. I didn't want to have to repeat this. But you have a right to know.

I overheard boog refer to your momma's humps as less than lovely lady lumps. Her humps, rilla. Her humps.

I'm actually convinced already
lynch boog

New Years has me in a great mood so I'll just go ahead and say it. I'm not a wolf

Guys, guys, guys, in my defense, lynch JKDS.

Happy New Bollocks

lynch drew

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Would like to hear more from others.

post #3 of the game, doesn't feel very sincere to me.

Happy new year people! Time to start making those resolutions you won't keep.

Looks like we've got boog already. Those terrible things he said about rilla's mother are unforgivable.

i feel like we are all thinking of our PMs but cant say anything

I know I am.

I'll say my vote isnt entirely random. That's gotta be fair game.

Weird.

lynch JKDS

I find it very wolfy that JKDS is using stuff that he can't elaborate on to imply boog is wolfy.

I do get that this game is strange in that there's things we can't talk about, and I just deleted a block of text because I don't want to make life difficult for mojo. But I'll say this... JKDS is implying more than boog being a wolf here, and I think it's reckless of JKDS to say what he did. Too reckless imo.

I think JKDS is a wolf who didn't think that through enough.

Why are we doing anything? We have no game design to discuss and no reason to be lynching each other? We're just here...

So I'm lynching the guy whose never caught a wolf, lynch boog

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

So I'm lynching the guy whose never caught a wolf, lynch boog

This post is so wolfy, it's sick. The last time I was villager, I called gabe out after his first post. I only stopped after you provided the village with a useless clusterfuck that bought it no information. Are you honestly gonna sit there and peg me as the weakest villager of the bunch? That's unfair. I don't think you genuinely believe that.

Lynch rilla

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Why are we doing anything? We have no game design to discuss and no reason to be lynching each other? We're just here...

So I'm lynching the guy whose never caught a wolf, lynch boog

we literally have no idea of the roleset right? kind of like a mish mash except.. it could potentially be vanilla.. amirite?

Ong, you need to put yourself in rilla's shoes here for a moment. What if boog said that about your momma? It's dispicable, even for a man in a cape.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Ong, you need to put yourself in rilla's shoes here for a moment. What if boog said that about your momma? It's dispicable, even for a man in a cape.

What am I missing? What did boog say about rilla's momma? Why is this even relevant?

I do think it's funny that Ong was completely wrongheaded about JKDS yesterday, I explained why, and he would not budge, and today he is completely wrongheaded about me, I've explained why, and he'll just continue to campaign for one and only one lynch today.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I do think it's funny that Ong was completely wrongheaded about JKDS yesterday, I explained why, and he would not budge, and today he is completely wrongheaded about me, I've explained why, and he'll just continue to campaign for one and only one lynch today.

It's funny that you seem to be suggesting that I hit the seer after nomming someone I'd eliminated from the seer pool in an attempt to set up the mislynch of someone who could be the seer for all I know.

What do you think of smf and hoopy, rilla?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

It's funny that you seem to be suggesting that I hit the seer after nomming someone I'd eliminated from the seer pool in an attempt to set up the mislynch of someone who could be the seer for all I know.

What do you think of smf and hoopy, rilla?

This is what you did with JKDS yesterday. You just kept spinning around and around without ever checking in with reality.

Gabe is good and a solid kill. Gabe's kill can be used to implicate others. The wolves couldn't even be sure there was a seer in the game. This isn't rocket science.

There's a good reason to lynch me today - Gabe hinted that he tried to rand me wolf. There's a bad reason to lynch me today - whatever you're doing.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

It's funny that you seem to be suggesting that I hit the seer after nomming someone I'd eliminated from the seer pool in an attempt to set up the mislynch of someone who could be the seer for all I know.

What do you think of smf and hoopy, rilla?

And Hoopy is sounding very pure. I really like that he's trying to buy time and looking over the village and he's trying to farm BID back into the game.

Earlier in the game, he said he didn't think I was being serious with my prods at Boog, which I thought was a very villagery thing to say because he's bringing an honest perspective to the table without thinking twice.

It's funny that I now remember that, because one of the clunky posts you made earlier was when JKDS was joking around about Boog and my momma, you made a post where you couldn't wrap your head around what was going on. Almost like the polar opposite to how Hoopy reacted to a similar event.

On SMF, I really don't think anything. I skimmed his posts when he made them, nothing stuck out.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

It's funny that you seem to be suggesting that I hit the seer after nomming someone I'd eliminated from the seer pool in an attempt to set up the mislynch of someone who could be the seer for all I know.

What do you think of smf and hoopy, rilla?

Wat? I can't even follow this argument. You eliminated someone from the seer pool? This makes no sense from a villa perspective.

Serious business post

I think rillas post about boog is a little off. But I don't think it's "so wolfy it's sick".

/end serious

OMG LOOK AT HOW WOLFY BOOG IS

Originally Posted by JKDS

Serious business post

I think rillas post about boog is a little off. But I don't think it's "so wolfy it's sick".

/end serious

OMG LOOK AT HOW WOLFY BOOG IS

BooG's response is pretty aggressive, I didn't think rilla was being serious.

Happy New Year everyone except JKDS.

I think he's wolfy and we should just Lynch JKDS to start off the new year right.

Nah, I prefer to lynch the clunky ones. lynch ongbonga

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Nah, I prefer to lynch the clunky ones. lynch ongbonga

No, I'm not in favor of a ongbonga lynch.

If I'm seer I peeked him villa, otherwise, I'm just finding him villagery.

we are going to have a mislynch today

i can feel it

fuck i meant to say "we arent going to have a mislynch today"

yes thats very wolfy. im still in a good mood because of new years so ill be honest. im not a wolf

Originally Posted by gabe

yes thats very wolfy. im still in a good mood because of new years so ill be honest. im not a wolf

It is a wolfy post and you stating AGAIN that you're not a wolf is not convincing.

Originally Posted by gabe

we are going to have a mislynch today

i can feel it

Originally Posted by gabe

fuck i meant to say "we arent going to have a mislynch today"

Originally Posted by gabe

yes thats very wolfy. im still in a good mood because of new years so ill be honest. im not a wolf

Transwolf is still going strong.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Transwolf is still going strong.

When he was transwolfing, he had me lolling and was constantly keeping up an undercurrent of reassurances clueing to his villager role.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

When he was transwolfing, he had me lolling and was constantly keeping up an undercurrent of reassurances clueing to his villager role.

obv i havent participated too much so far but neither has anyone else....

we're on page 1 and day 1 is over in a single digit # of hours

boog or rilla is a wolf

its up to them to speak more villagery going forward

Originally Posted by gabe

boog or rilla is a wolf

its up to them to speak more villagery going forward

What makes you say this?

It could be v/v. What makes you way it's v/w so confidently?

Originally Posted by lilrascal

What makes you say this?

It could be v/v. What makes you way it's v/w so confidently?

Gonna answer this, gabe?

Originally Posted by gabe

boog or rilla is a wolf

its up to them to speak more villagery going forward

Originally Posted by lilrascal

What makes you say this?

It could be v/v. What makes you way it's v/w so confidently?

Noticing this hasn't been answered yet. gabe made some sort of connection without really explaining much. He's somehow given off the illusion of logic though.

Rascal, I'm villa. You should be lynching boog. I heard he once dressed up in face paint and attended a child's private gathering. How much more sinister could you get? He's one syllable away from booger for Petes sake

Also. Serious post.

I don't like boogs response to rilla. It doesn't sound like a real thought, but it don't look like a joke.

Idk about rilla, it takes me a bit to read him. Ong too, and if he says I can soul read him this game after 20ish of me failing at it then I'm gonna lawyer him to death.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Also. Serious post.

I don't like boogs response to rilla. It doesn't sound like a real thought, but it don't look like a joke.

Idk about rilla, it takes me a bit to read him. Ong too, and if he says I can soul read him this game after 20ish of me failing at it then I'm gonna lawyer him to death.

The fuck do you know about being a lawyer? You're asking us to lynch boog based on inadmissable evidence.

JKDS toning wolfy

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

JKDS toning wolfy

Bit early to be bussing him isn't it?

Also, what the fuck is clunky?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Also, what the fuck is clunky?

Gonna answer this rilla?

I know what clunky means, my desktop is clunky, but in the context of werewolf?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Gonna answer this rilla?

I know what clunky means, my desktop is clunky, but in the context of werewolf?

Your posts were clunky to me.

JKDS appears to be transwolfing by making a big show about pursuing Boog for what seems to be no reason. I'd lynch him on the fact that he's hard signalling that he intends to be deadweight until he has to pull up hard when he's on the chopping block but I want to see what's up with gabe and why he wants to focus down only me and Boog today.

lynch gabe

I assuming noone is on my wavelength when it comes to my suspicion of JKDS.

Let's see if I can elaborate without crossing any lines.

Ask yourself why JKDS would be in a position to suspect boog is likely a wolf. Ask yourself if, in such a position, JKDS would draw such obvious attention to himself so early.

JKDS is implying more than boog wolf. He's also implying JKDS special. And that is not something I would expect JKDS to spew so casually.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I assuming noone is on my wavelength when it comes to my suspicion of JKDS.

Let's see if I can elaborate without crossing any lines.

Ask yourself why JKDS would be in a position to suspect boog is likely a wolf. Ask yourself if, in such a position, JKDS would draw such obvious attention to himself so early.

JKDS is implying more than boog wolf. He's also implying JKDS special. And that is not something I would expect JKDS to spew so casually.

Holy shit, you used the same fucking thinking yesterday.

When anyone suggests they randed someone successfully, they're suggesting they randed seer successfully, hollly shiiiit.

Gabe was actually right therefore he must have randed successfully twice because he figured out the game.

You're trying to lynch two villagers on the same stupid thinking, it's amazing.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Holy shit, you used the same fucking thinking yesterday.

When anyone suggests they randed someone successfully, they're suggesting they randed seer successfully, hollly shiiiit.

Gabe was actually right therefore he must have randed successfully twice because he figured out the game.

You're trying to lynch two villagers on the same stupid thinking, it's amazing.

WHICH MEANS YOU THOUGHT BOTH JKDS AND GABE WERE POSSIBLE SEERS. You immediately campaigned against JKDS and gabe got nommed.

Hahhahaa

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

WHICH MEANS YOU THOUGHT BOTH JKDS AND GABE WERE POSSIBLE SEERS. You immediately campaigned against JKDS and gabe got nommed.

Hahhahaa

I didn't think JKDS was seer. Read my posts in more detail. I felt that if he was seer, he wouldn't be stupid enough to spew who he tried to rand as wolf.

And I'd only think gabe is seer if I know you're a wolf...

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I didn't think JKDS was seer. Read my posts in more detail. I felt that if he was seer, he wouldn't be stupid enough to spew who he tried to rand as wolf.

And I'd only think gabe is seer if I know you're a wolf...

Right, you're thinking on JKDS was broken into 3 categories:

JKDS is doing it as a villager: 0%, he would only do it as a seer.
JKDS is doing it as a seer: 0%, he's just playing bad.
JKDS is doing it as a wolf: 100%, he's just playing bad.

The fact that you acknowledge that his actions polarize his range to Boog wolf - JKDS seer OR Boog unknown - JKDS wolf, means that all you need to believe that gabe is a good seer shot is his hinting his rand at all. It polarizes his range in your mind. To you, gabe is a good hit without knowing if he's right, because he thinks he's right and that's all that counts.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I guess it comes down to how you interpret his attack on boog. He's dismissing it as lol it's d1 lynch boog, but I'm not buying it. He used language that, under the circumstances, can be considered ambiguous. It can have the effect of having people assume boog is > rand to be wolf (note gabe's recent posts), but if boog turns up villager, JKDS is protected from having to explain himself by the first rule of fight club. It's wolfy as hell. Furthermore, I think for JKDS to be villager, he's not only implying boog wolf, he implies JKDS special, and I don't think JKDS is ever that reckless as special.

It's easily the most compelling case I can see for today's lynch. I mean the best you can do is drew for being "terse".

Im not doing that, and never would. So it makes sense that you're suspicious.

Also, why is rilla asking gabe to respond to stuff that was posted after gabe's last post?

rilla and jkds wolfing.

rilla you're smart enough to know what "seems like no reason" is actually a reason that JKDS can't discuss in detail. It's fairly obvious what he's hinting at.

You're also smart enough to know that it would be a terrible idea for JKDS to take this line if he is indeed honest.

Think about it rilla.

My posts are clunky? I think we have a differing understanding of what that word means. I'm noisy like machinary that barely works? So what's new?

Also, I'm not getting into the tone of my posts that are dated 1-1-16, other than to point to the date.

If I can't have fun and go after boog day 1 with little to no case, then you guys have officially taken the fun out of ww

Originally Posted by JKDS

If I can't have fun and go after boog day 1 with little to no case, then you guys have officially taken the fun out of ww

You were the one who said it wasn't random after gabe made a comment about how we're all quieter than usual because we're limited in our discussion.

It's no good pretending that it was all a big joke now.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

You were the one who said it wasn't random after gabe made a comment about how we're all quieter than usual because we're limited in our discussion.

It's no good pretending that it was all a big joke now.

I think I called him less than random to be a wolf. Sue me.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

BooG's response is pretty aggressive, I didn't think rilla was being serious.

His post sounded pretty serious. He talks about the lack of talking points and nominates me as a candidate because I never caught a villager or something:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Why are we doing anything? We have no game design to discuss and no reason to be lynching each other? We're just here...

So I'm lynching the guy whose never caught a wolf, lynch boog

That said, I spouted off at rilla because I was butthurt. However, he's had a good share of wolfy posts today. The pot calling the kettle black here:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

JKDS appears to be transwolfing by making a big show about pursuing Boog for what seems to be no reason. I'd lynch him on the fact that he's hard signalling that he intends to be deadweight until he has to pull up hard when he's on the chopping block but I want to see what's up with gabe and why he wants to focus down only me and Boog today.

lynch gabe

And then rilla looks to be genuinely mad at JKDS for fucking around and having a bit of fun:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

You've taken the fun out of the game because you're bad at what you're trying to do. If you wanted to lynch Boog, it could be done, he only has half a post in the game so far and is lining up to slink by day 1 no problem. But you don't try to honestly hammer on Boog, you just want to larf around and waste the village's time and attention.

This is in direct contrast with rilla asking "Why are we doing anything? We have no game design..." Rilla was doing the same as JKDS then points at JKDS for messing about. I've JKDS as playing just as he did last game where he was a villager. Also, Drew, Rascal and Ong come off as pure, in that order.

I'm near certain JKDS is a wolf.

Originally Posted by BooG690

Also, Drew, Rascal and Ong come off as pure, in that order.

Based on this Drew would be your strongest villager lean.