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  1. #151
    I've got Gabe, Hoopy and JKDS at exactly null btw, and Evene absent.
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  2. #152
    I just realized MMM isn't in this game. Is he SuperMonkeyFace?
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  3. #153
    No I think it's an unouted gimmick for someone from 2+2
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  4. #154
    Ok, I see where MMM outed in the first post in the sign up thread.

    I've got to go to bed, I've got the get up in about 6 hours. I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow night and get my spreadsheet going.
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  5. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    yeah, I'd like to know why Wuf is lynching him though.
    not a fan of his bold stylistically or by rationale.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    He is? Wuf is usually the the most vocal about how mean it is lynching noobs.

    lynch wuf
    i care about not d1 ganking ww nubs not ftr nub ww vets. it would be silly to treat ww vets with kid gloves just because theyre ftr nubs. i feel like this should be obvious, which suggests you might be a wolf shooting your water pistol at me.

    lynch ong
  6. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    not a fan of his bold stylistically or by rationale.



    i care about not d1 ganking ww nubs not ftr nub ww vets. it would be silly to treat ww vets with kid gloves just because theyre ftr nubs. i feel like this should be obvious, which suggests you might be a wolf shooting your water pistol at me.

    lynch ong

    I don't agree with you in the slightest on the Ong lynch but I'm reading this post as villagy for some reason.
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    /\/\/\/\/\/\/\
    || VOTE COUNT ||
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    player (votes) || who's voting for them

    baudib (1) || ship
    Gator (1) || BID
    ong (1) || wuf
    rascal (1) || baudib
    ship (1) || Kami
    SMF (1) || JKDS
    wuf (1) || ong

    no vote (8) || Cory, Evene, gabe, Gator, Hoopy, rascal, rilla, SMF
    There are 15 living players. Majority is 8 votes.

    Day 1 will end at 5pm Friday (Luco time)
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  8. #158
    rescind
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    I don't see the cases on baudib, gator, ong, or wuf having any credibility right now.

    I like the monkey lynch. He clamed up immediately the second he got accused.
  10. #160
    rascal are you wolfing on me

    you can tell me the truth
  11. #161
    How do I vote

    [v]Hoopy[/v]?
  12. #162
    Hoopy?
  13. #163
    never bold the hoopman. the dude is unbeaten in ww. 236 and 0. he's been vig twice, killing 6 wolves in 5 shots. he was seer in a game where there was no seer. the mod was just too intimidated by the hoopman's presence that he sent him wolf peeks every night. one time the hoopman bolded a villager by accident. once.
  14. #164
    rescind

    i apologize
  15. #165
    Wuf is trolling but Hoopy is probably exactly rand right now.
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  16. #166
    shit nigga i aint trollin nothin. remember the last time hoops was a wolf? he nommed four players in one night!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    never bold the hoopman. the dude is unbeaten in ww. 236 and 0. he's been vig twice, killing 6 wolves in 5 shots. he was seer in a game where there was no seer. the mod was just too intimidated by the hoopman's presence that he sent him wolf peeks every night. one time the hoopman bolded a villager by accident. once.
    Quality post

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  18. #168
    im on campus for 13 hours on wednesdays. if i log on tomorrow, it will be because i have free time that i may or may not have. earliest i'll be back could be thursday afternoon or evening.
  19. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    I don't see the cases on baudib, gator, ong, or wuf having any credibility right now.

    I like the monkey lynch. He clamed up immediately the second he got accused.
    Lol accused of what? You voted me and didn't even give an explanation. I couldnt care less about that vote.

    It's funny how you disregard 4 (yes, 4) cases on 4 other people because they have no credibility and then proceed to say you like a monkey lynch when I'm the most town-y player itg so far? LOL. Pretty sure there's more than 4 people that would disagree with you there
  20. #170
    I can't get over that dismissal of 4 wagons and push an entirely different 5th wagon for way less.

    I just iso'd him too. He's literally done nothing in this game which makes this point ^ even stronger. And way wolfier.

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    so far i think gator, ong, and baud are on my suspicious list.

    shipitup and monkeyface seem very villager to me

    monkeyface, i dont think that jkds stuff is necessarily wolfy. after just finishing a game with him, and playing with him a lot in the past, jkds is doing that stuff often has a villager
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    Oh god, its a second baudib.
  23. #173
    Gabe:

    why are your reads from like Opposite Land?
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  24. #174
    SMF is very likely villager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    I've been thinking about this for the past hour or so.

    It'd be nice if we can nail the tailor really early.

    This is gonna be a wolf who is worth preserving for the wolf team obviously, with full bussing rights. Reading deep into interactions will be key.

    This could mess with village strategies in a big way, but I'd rather not talk about that for now.
    wolf leaning post for thinking so much about wolf roles.
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Ship you only have 3 posts left for this 24-hour cycle.

    you know I know this is a wolfy entrance for you. whyyyyyy
    this post consists of an allusion to some nonsense read and a jokey tone follow up. seems unnatural for baidb. wolfy
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    I saw you make posts like that in a game where you were a wolf in a turbo, the whole game.

    just stop it's alarming.
    telling himself to "just stop [posting]" after making so many obvious wolfy posts on day 1. the last sentence of the previous quote expresses feeling also

    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    I promise this game to NOT think everything baudib says is wolfy. Only half of it.
    meh wolfy
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    lynch shipitup

    His argument against Baudib is weak and looks more like he just wants to get rid of someone who may be able to read him.
    i had the opposite feeling on shipitup. so i feel its likely gator is a wolf knowing shipitup might be dangerous.
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    Do you really think if I was the tailor I would draw that much attention to myself? Sheesh.
    thinking about wolfy roles = wolfy. especially when the 'wolf tailor' is a new role at FTR and it requires everyone to be aware of it. but villagers are less likely to bring it up on day1. wolfy points for baudib and gator for this
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    You two cut this shit out RIGHT NOW!!!

    Vig, if Ong and Baudib go after each other all day please shoot one of them tonight and based on last games' results it should probably be Ong.
    maybe wolfy. not as strong of a feeling on this one

    Quote Originally Posted by ShipItUp View Post
    Different tone in the top and bottom portions of this post is pinging me, makes it seem like the top wasn't genuine.

    1)I've made similar posts as a villager before
    2)You know I've made similar posts as a villager before because you copied an opener I did like that
    3)The fact that I posted in a certain way in one of my 60 turbo wolf games isn't really relevant. Especially considering the fact I've done it as a villa as well.

    Baudi can't read me and considering you have no knowledge of our history there is no way you should be confident enough in that to vote me. You're just playing guess work which is hypocritical considering you're pushing me for a weak vote.

    This is reaching pretty hard
    this post i thought SIU was spelling things out in a pure way
  26. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Gabe:

    why are your reads from like Opposite Land?

    this is not rhetorical

    is it me or you?
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    one thing thats cool about this game is these new players are experienced, and also have meta between themselves. its hard for me to tell how much meta wrongly influences my thinking as a villager. like if everyone was anonymous ... would we make bias related mistakes less often? i never really got to experiment with that in the FTR anon game (lol)

    i am going to try and read all the new members as if they were a random person off the street



    also i would never have those^ thoughts as a wolf. so rest assured
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    this is not rhetorical

    is it me or you?
    time will tell

    ill add that ong is not on my most suspicious tier. the re read made me back off that
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    SMF is very likely villager.
    Why tho? He spends the first part of the day slowly building a case on SIU, after a few have called SIU suspicious. That makes SIU the most likely wagon at the time, and an easy target for a wolf. I vote him, then all of his 'investigative' work comes to a crashing halt. In addition, all he can think about is how villagery other people find him, so hes obv concerned with how people are perceiving him.

    Hes done work, sure. But anyone whos ever played ww more than a few times is fully aware of the "work hard so you look towny" trick.
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    Ill give you this. He "NO U"'d me, which is ive seen more often from inexperienced villagers than vet wolves. But hes still wolfier than anyone else thats posted so far.
  31. #181
    I'd probably lynch like 10 people ahead of SMF right now.

    maybe it's me.
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  32. #182
    Here's how I see the early game AORN

    Extremely game-solvey in ways that wolves are unlikely to act: Cory, Ong, SuperMonkey

    Somewhat game-solvey, but not super villagery: Gator, JKDS, Gabe, ShipItUp, Drew

    Reasonably active, which is a good sign for her: Kami

    Totally lacking in any real content: Lilrascal, Hoopy, Wuf. I think Wuf had one post that made me feel good about him, but other than that he laid down an inconspicuous vote on someone who was getting heat without any real explanation, and his other posts are totally meh.

    Not active: Evene
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  33. #183
    forgot one

    He's in the game?!? Rilla
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  34. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Why tho? He spends the first part of the day slowly building a case on SIU, after a few have called SIU suspicious. That makes SIU the most likely wagon at the time, and an easy target for a wolf. I vote him, then all of his 'investigative' work comes to a crashing halt. In addition, all he can think about is how villagery other people find him, so hes obv concerned with how people are perceiving him.

    Hes done work, sure. But anyone whos ever played ww more than a few times is fully aware of the "work hard so you look towny" trick.
    I see what you're getting at but just because someone is putting in an effort - does not mean they are putting together a "trick".

    D1 is such a hilar crapshoot that I don't anyone can actually pin down someone at a high rate of success.

    I've fallen victim to being lynched D1 many times in the past solely based on "bid is different this game." Most of the time, the village was wrong and I was a villager. However, I do see the merit in it because of how little we have to go on.

    Take rilla for example, I know it's only been like 24hrs irl into D1 but he's nowhere to be seen. > rando wolf
    baudib and ong are baudib and ong. Their balancing in this game is great as far as post count goes. Ong sucks at being tone consitent tho lol ... No wolfy vibes from either.

    rascal and wuf are using irl excuses for their lack of content, albeit wuf stated prior to the game (which is a solid strat even if irl is not busy). Anyways, both are > rando wolf.

    I never have a read on JKDS. Ever. Fuck him.

    Hoopy and evene need to participate more.

    I have zero reads on the other new players and I'm sure I've missed many...
  35. #185
    D1 is the most important day in every game.

    Your chances of lynching a wolf on D1 is the same or greater as any other day.
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  36. #186
    I don't get JKDS' attack on SMF AT ALL.

    like, he said what he had to say, said it more intelligently than any else who was looking with eyebrow raised at SIU, then nothing else was going on and he said he was leaving.

    JKDS throws a random vote on him.

    He says, "that's rude," and leaves

    what else was he supposed to?

    I sorta get how JKDS can see it as "suspicious" but much ado about nothing I think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    D1 is the most important day in every game.

    Your chances of lynching a wolf on D1 is the same or greater as any other day.
    You must be trolling.
  38. #188
    Not at all. I've never seen a game where almost all the clues you needed to solve the game weren't apparent on D1.
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  39. #189
    Bunch of us here just played an 85-player mash where the wolves basically clinched it on D1.
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    I'd love to see your maths re: binking a wolf D1 is = binking a wolf on D2... Both for when you miss and hit
  41. #191
    I'm pretty sure we lynch a wolf D1 here 40%+
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    Sick maths. I'm convinced.

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    lynch baudib
  43. #193
    Lynch Bankitdrew
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Not at all. I've never seen a game where almost all the clues you needed to solve the game weren't apparent on D1.
    villager baudib that i know always has some clues

    lynch baudib
  45. #195
    lynch Gabe omgus
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  46. #196
    lynch Gabe
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  47. #197
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    pretty weak stuff baud. i came in here and posted my pure thoughts. i wasnt trying to post them to convince people i was a villager. i posted my version of The Truth freely to help the village see what i'm seeing
  48. #198
    I don't like ANY of you reads. I mean, there aren't many times when I fully comprehend how your process works, but this is mostly a straightforward case of you A. misinterpreting the simplest information and/or B. not understanding meta between other players.

    I can elaborate if you'd like but it'd probably be a waste of time. Only wolves think about wolf roles? Really? How often do we even have wolf roles? Something potentially game breaking like a tailor/godfather maker merits serious discussion.

    Gun to my head, I'd say you're a villager more often than Gator, but it's close.

    What exactly do you not like about Ong?
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  49. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    rescind

    i apologize
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  50. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by ShipItUp View Post
    Different tone in the top and bottom portions of this post is pinging me, makes it seem like the top wasn't genuine.

    1)I've made similar posts as a villager before
    2)You know I've made similar posts as a villager before because you copied an opener I did like that
    3)The fact that I posted in a certain way in one of my 60 turbo wolf games isn't really relevant. Especially considering the fact I've done it as a villa as well.

    Baudi can't read me and considering you have no knowledge of our history there is no way you should be confident enough in that to vote me. You're just playing guess work which is hypocritical considering you're pushing me for a weak vote.
    for instance this post by SIU is largely true but an extreme overreaction to a pretty simple point:

    Ship is slightly more likely to post in this fashion as a wolf than a villager.

    When someone says, "I do this in both roles" or "it's role-neutral" etc., this is also a pretty big red flag and often isn't true.

    SIU did in fact post entirely in this manner for a whole game, as a wolf, and he hasn't done that as a villager. Thus, starting the game like that isn't a good sign, because it's not his normal opening. As for the times I had "copied" his style, I was a wolf 60% of the time (3 of 5).

    Anyway, SIU is on the back burner until he and Kami talk ITT.
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  51. #201
    It does give me pause that both Ong and Gabe are on high-Gator alert. I just realized I never villaged against Gator's wolf game except for the anon game where I got modkilled early on D1.
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  52. #202
    Hoopy:

    anything to share with the class?
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  53. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Ok, I see where MMM outed in the first post in the sign up thread.

    I've got to go to bed, I've got the get up in about 6 hours. I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow night and get my spreadsheet going.
    I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.

    Any info on how kami, Cory, SIU play?
  54. #204
    To JKDS: Look at these posts, and click through to see context. First quote is in response to SIU. Second group is responding seemingly as he reads. Hard for a wolf who allegedly hasn't played many forum games to fake these reactions.

    Also, what wolf says things like "Mindmeld."

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace View Post
    Ugh I don't know what it is but it just does not feel right here. It's like his posts are trying to be villagery but he's got a cheating wife on his mind
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperMonkeyFace View Post
    Gator/baudib interaction there is not out of the w/w ballpark. Especially once gator casted that vote on siu



    This was so perfectly posted. Ong noticed something as well. Mindmeld
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  55. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.
    To be fair the voting last game was unusual and harder to graph.
  56. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Hoopy:

    anything to share with the class?
    Having played against GatorWolf several times, it's fine to be paranoid about him.

    Dude is the best wolf on this site.
  57. #207
    that's not exactly a #hottake

    what do you think of the game so far?
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  58. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    rascal and wuf are using irl excuses for their lack of content, albeit wuf stated prior to the game (which is a solid strat even if irl is not busy). Anyways, both are > rando wolf.
    I don't think wuf would straight up lie about being busy, didn't he say that he hated the inactive wolf strat with a passion? Doesn't fit with how he sees the game.
  59. #209
    I don't know how I missed that snippet from BID but that's a pretty AIDS post.

    nice job Hoopy
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  60. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    I'm expecting some colour coding, last game you didn't have your usual analysis and were wolfing.

    Any info on how kami, Cory, SIU play?
    Last game was different because of the multiple voting which messed me up some. This is a normal game as far add that's concerned so I will have my normal analysis and I'll try and get you some colors, but normally I'll only be posting late in the evening when I get to the hotel after work. Right now, I'm waiting on a plane so I'll do a but of phone posting.

    Kami is a but of a wildcard IMO. Other than one long game on MU, I think I've only played turbos with her. In that game she was a vanilla villager that fake peeked me would when I was the seer. It caused two days of havoc and the wolves were able to vanillaize me. I don't have fond memories kid that game. Baudib was in it and referenced it earlier.

    SIU, I only remember from turbos and that's been a while back, so I don't have much to go on about him in a long game.

    Cory, my other "son" is a great player in either role, but he had a tendency to read me as wolf when I'm villa.
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  61. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    that's not exactly a #hottake

    what do you think of the game so far?
    A what?

    I think Ong jumping on Gator for 'traitor' instead of 'tailor' is a big reach, I don't think Ong actually believes he's got a wolf.

    Gator would probably not put 3 errors in a post if trying to be derpcleared. 1 is enough.

    Monkey is slightly defensive vs JKDS, if he goes back to hunting though I'm not worried.

    It's good to have more new people playing.

    That's it atm. I'm still recovering from my first MU game.
  62. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    To JKDS: Look at these posts, and click through to see context. First quote is in response to SIU. Second group is responding seemingly as he reads. Hard for a wolf who allegedly hasn't played many forum games to fake these reactions.

    Also, what wolf says things like "Mindmeld."
    I've seen the term "mindmeld" used before in both roles, especially in turbos. That may give us an indicator of who SuperMonkey might be. I'd have to go look at done turbos to see who theirs that term around.
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  63. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    A what?

    I think Ong jumping on Gator for 'traitor' instead of 'tailor' is a big reach, I don't think Ong actually believes he's got a wolf.

    Gator would probably not put 3 errors in a post if trying to be derpcleared. 1 is enough.

    Monkey is slightly defensive vs JKDS, if he goes back to hunting though I'm not worried.

    It's good to have more new people playing.

    That's it atm. I'm still recovering from my first MU game.
    Does gator normally try for a derp clear? He had 2 or 3 posts like that last game which seemed odd based on what you'll have told me about him.
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  64. #214
    What's bothering me the most this game is the lack of Baudib/Ong fireworks.

    They've either learned from past mistakes in this regard (which would be good but unlikely IMO) our one or both then is a wolf.
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  65. #215
    Our = or

    (I don't like phone posting)
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  66. #216
    Rascal you're slightly sketching me out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    rascal are you wolfing on me

    you can tell me the truth
    Nope, what about you?

    This is Cory's standard start of interaction with me no matter what his role is.
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  68. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Rascal you're slightly sketching me out.
    Why is that? My participation is going to be limited like last game. Right now, I'm sitting in an airport trying to do some catching up before I get on a cross country flight.

    As I said last night, I plan to get my spreadsheets together tonight and read more in depth. So far, this is going faster than a normal FTR game, so i thought I'd give my comments for now and get some interaction in.
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  69. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I want to trust the nice avatar's read on ship.
    This does not look like a standard Ong post. It just seems of to me. Maybe it's the new players in the mix, but Ong usually just Ong's.
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  70. #220
    Getting on the plane now. I'll catch up this evening when I'm on a computer rather than my phone.
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  71. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Why is that? My participation is going to be limited like last game. Right now, I'm sitting in an airport trying to do some catching up before I get on a cross country flight.

    As I said last night, I plan to get my spreadsheets together tonight and read more in depth. So far, this is going faster than a normal FTR game, so i thought I'd give my comments for now and get some interaction in.
    Highlighted is appropriate response. The rest? I'm not sketched out because you're busy IRL.
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  72. #222
    rascal
  73. #223
    He a wolfy soab
  74. #224
    Also baudib ship says mindmd of as a wolf all the time to pocket people

    He a sketchy soab
  75. #225
    He likes to suck up tbh

    Or maybe just to me idk

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