Sep 2015 Werewolf - Game thread

[Luco]

Oh Mah Gawd... it’s a game!

The living:
Ongbonga
JKDS
BID (Bankitdrew)
Gabe
Wufwugy
Gator
Baudib
Rascal (lilrascal)
Hoopy
Kami
Shipitup
Evene
Rilla (a500lbgorilla)
Supermonkeyface
Cory

Living roles:
9 vanilla villagers
1 Seer
1 Angel
1 Vigilante
1 vanilla wolf
1 roleblocker
1 tailor

Rules:
- No editing posts
- No night talk
- No discussing the game anywhere outside of this thread
- Lynches and rescinds are submitted in bold, eg Lynch bigred.
- Days will last roughly 48 hours unless majority is reached, Day1 will be longer. Nights are 24 hours.
- Night actions are submitted by PM to me. Wolves can submit night actions via the den if they wish.
- No posting in the game thread after death
- night order of operations is roleblocker, tailor, angel, seer, vig, NK
- If I've missed anything or you have any mod specific questions PM me, don't ask me in thread as it may be ignored

Any times mentioned are UK time, deduct 5 hours for eastern and 8 hours for PST. If it helps I will include 'XX hours remaining' and such, whenever I remember to

DO NOT POST YET! PMs incoming...

[Luco]

Roles as sent:

Vanillager:
You are a vanilla villager! your vote is your weapon. You win when all wolves are eliminated.

Seer:
You are the seer ! Each night you may choose a player to lookup, and you will receive an indication of their alignment ("X is a villager" or "X is a wolf"). You are sided with the village, and win when all wolves are eliminated.

Angel:
You are the Angel ! Each night you may choose a player to protect. You cannot protect the same player on consecutive nights. You are sided with the village, and win when all wolves are eliminated.

Vig:
You are the vigilante! Each night you may choose a player to shoot. You are sided with the village, and win when all wolves are eliminated.

Wolf:
You are a wolf ! you have two wolf buddies to help, and your own private chat:

You win when the villagers no longer outnumber the wolves.

Roleblocker:
You are a wolf roleblocker ! Each night you may choose a villager to block, and if the chosen player has any night actions they will be blocked.

you have two wolf buddies to help, and your own private chat:

You win when the villagers no longer outnumber the wolves.

Tailor:
You are a wolf tailor ! Each night you may choose a player who will be given a suit to wear for the night. If that player is looked up by the seer on the same night, the seer will receive an incorrect report of that players alignment. E.g. if you select a villager and the seer looks them up, the seer will be told that that player is a wolf.

you have two wolf buddies to help, and your own private chat:

You win when the villagers no longer outnumber the wolves.

[Luco]

IT IS DAY.

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Day 1 will end at 5pm Friday, about 76 hours from now

YOU MAY POST!

[OngBonga]

I have my role pm and I can confirm that I'm bigred.

[baudib]

YES! I love my role!

LOL DIE WOLVES

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Wahoo. Pownage time!

[Cory]

Good news boys I'm a villager

Bad news boys I am pretty sure I can only post five times today due to your poverty forum rules

I will do my best not to waste them complaining about me only being able to post five times and telling you I'm a villager

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Why only 5 times?

[baudib]

Villagery to wolfy entrances:

Cory-Ong-Super

[baudib]

I've been thinking about this for the past hour or so.

It'd be nice if we can nail the tailor really early.

This is gonna be a wolf who is worth preserving for the wolf team obviously, with full bussing rights. Reading deep into interactions will be key.

This could mess with village strategies in a big way, but I'd rather not talk about that for now.

[baudib]

Cory, you must have questions, tell me what you need to know.

[Cory]

Cory, you must have questions, tell me what you need to know.

I think it's probably a better idea to conserve my posts for when I get home and have serious content to go through

If people would not expect me to answer unnecessary questions that would be great

As for questions, not really? If you are talking the set-up this isn't my first rodeo (I came from a role madness forum) and saying "it would be nice to hit wolf x" is all fine and good but in reality we should just be lynching the wolfy people as per usual. I don't really understand what you are suggesting otherwise besides "hunt for deep wolves early!" which imo is almost always a dumb idea because it usually just ends in lynching active villagery people which is probably the worst thing you can ever do as a villager

I hope if you are a villager you have better ideas than "lynch the PR wolf!" which is what basically everyone wants to do but it's not something easy to put into practice. Trying to imagine how the wolves will strategize is almost always futile when you can just lunch the wolfy people ffs

[baudib]

I think it's probably a better idea to conserve my posts for when I get home and have serious content to go through

If people would not expect me to answer unnecessary questions that would be great

As for questions, not really? If you are talking the set-up this isn't my first rodeo (I came from a role madness forum) and saying "it would be nice to hit wolf x" is all fine and good but in reality we should just be lynching the wolfy people as per usual. I don't really understand what you are suggesting otherwise besides "hunt for deep wolves early!" which imo is almost always a dumb idea because it usually just ends in lynching active villagery people which is probably the worst thing you can ever do as a villager

I hope if you are a villager you have better ideas than "lynch the PR wolf!" which is what basically everyone wants to do but it's not something easy to put into practice. Trying to imagine how the wolves will strategize is almost always futile when you can just lunch the wolfy people ffs

no that's not what I was talking about at all.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Whatever my action is tonight. I'll probably use it on baudib. I should note, it will not be a kill action

[baudib]

I've been thinking about this for the past hour or so.

It'd be nice if we can nail the tailor really early.

This is gonna be a wolf who is worth preserving for the wolf team obviously, with full bussing rights. Reading deep into interactions will be key.

This could mess with village strategies in a big way, but I'd rather not talk about that for now.

Whatever my action is tonight. I'll probably use it on baudib. I should note, it will not be a kill action

you're not that bright are you

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Still wondering why you're limited to 5 posts..

[SuperMonkeyFace]

That had nothing to do with your strat post..

[baudib]

LOL

oh boy

[SuperMonkeyFace]

[BankItDrew]

Corey makes a good observation about baudib already:

Baudib hopes to target the tailor early. With 15 players in this game, it's going to be more of a bonus on top of lynching a wolf. it's sooooo much of a crapshoot early on.

Baudib wolfy
corey villagery
corey looking like dhubs 2.0 with his green posts

[GatorJH]

Corey makes a good observation about baudib already:

Baudib hopes to target the tailor early. With 15 players in this game, it's going to be more of a bonus on top of lynching a wolf. it's sooooo much of a crapshoot early on.

Baudib wolfy
corey villagery
corey looking like dhubs 2.0 with his green posts

He said it would be nice if we could lynch the traitor early, he didn't say we should hunt the traitor. If we nab a wolf there is a 33% chance that it is the traitor.

[OngBonga]

He said it would be nice if we could lynch the traitor early, he didn't say we should hunt the traitor. If we nab a wolf there is a 33% chance that it is the traitor.

gator pretending to have not read the role clearly enough to know it's tailor, not traitor. Coming from gator, this could be a deliberate derp designed to make it look like he's not the tailor. I would expect gator to have read the roles, as either alignment. I think we might have found the tailor already.

[baudib]

gator pretending to have not read the role clearly enough to know it's tailor, not traitor. Coming from gator, this could be a deliberate derp designed to make it look like he's not the tailor. I would expect gator to have read the roles, as either alignment. I think we might have found the tailor already.

interesting

[GatorJH]

gator pretending to have not read the role clearly enough to know it's tailor, not traitor. Coming from gator, this could be a deliberate derp designed to make it look like he's not the tailor. I would expect gator to have read the roles, as either alignment. I think we might have found the tailor already.

Do you really think if I was the tailor I would draw that much attention to myself? Sheesh.

[OngBonga]

Do you really think if I was the tailor I would draw that much attention to myself? Sheesh.

Depends if you expect to get town cred for it or not.

[Evene]

OK, 5 posts, 5 pages, let's go.

pg 1. Cory has a villagery entrance. Bauddib seems engaged

Do you really think if I was the tailor I would draw that much attention to myself? Sheesh.

This is a wolfy post. Lame excuse that makes no sense. The tailor/traitor argument didn't really make much sense to me either. Maybe why I find this response wo wolfy, because it should just be 'lolwut'

[ShipItUp]

gator pretending to have not read the role clearly enough to know it's tailor, not traitor. Coming from gator, this could be a deliberate derp designed to make it look like he's not the tailor. I would expect gator to have read the roles, as either alignment. I think we might have found the tailor already.

This is pretty awful, like, why are you automatically assuming he made the mistake intentionally? to be clear i don't currently think this is wolfy just pointing out that the logic is flawed.

[OngBonga]

This is pretty awful, like, why are you automatically assuming he made the mistake intentionally? to be clear i don't currently think this is wolfy just pointing out that the logic is flawed.

It's a healthy mix of paranoia (based on respect for gator's wolf game), and an effort to engage him. I don't give a crap how awful my d1 logic is. I don't automatically assume he made the mistake intentionally... I merely entertained the idea and said it out loud.

Oh and cory, the comment about lynching baudib for amusement wasn't serious, I was just baiting him. We probably dick around a little more here than on other sites, because we're all so familiar with each other, plus it's a poker forum, not a ww forum. That's not to say we don't try to win, and I assure you that I am not going to seriously vote for baudib on the basis of it being funny. But you can probably expect people to be less serious, especially this early, than what you're used to.

[BankItDrew]

He said it would be nice if we could lynch the traitor early, he didn't say we should hunt the traitor. If we nab a wolf there is a 33% chance that it is the traitor.

The traitor?

How is it that 'the great' gator derps like this?

rescind baudib
lynch gator

[ShipItUp]

The traitor?

How is it that 'the great' gator derps like this?

rescind baudib
lynch gator

Yeah this is the second time in the first 50 posts that he's voted someone without the reasoning actually lining up with it being a wolf read.

BankItDrew

[Cory]

The traitor?

How is it that 'the great' gator derps like this?

rescind baudib
lynch gator

aaaaaaaaaaaaand here it is again

[ShipItUp]

aaaaaaaaaaaaand here it is again

Your pony is slow part 2

[ShipItUp]

get an avatar, you shitty werewolf player...

Whatever my action is tonight. I'll probably use it on baudib. I should note, it will not be a kill action

Corey makes a good observation about baudib already:

Baudib hopes to target the tailor early. With 15 players in this game, it's going to be more of a bonus on top of lynching a wolf. it's sooooo much of a crapshoot early on.

Baudib wolfy
corey villagery
corey looking like dhubs 2.0 with his green posts

Something to keep in mind with this post is that he points out the error in baudi's thinking but doesn't then connect that error to being wolfy. Wolves have a tendency to do things like this because they are trying to force reasons to push villagers and believe that it will be perceived that incorrect logic like baudi had in his original post will be perceived as wolfy.

[baudib]

Something to keep in mind with this post is that he points out the error in baudi's thinking but doesn't then connect that error to being wolfy. Wolves have a tendency to do things like this because they are trying to force reasons to push villagers and believe that it will be perceived that incorrect logic like baudi had in his original post will be perceived as wolfy.

I'm still sorta leaning toward BiD just being big pile of AIDS.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'm still sorta leaning toward BiD just being big pile of AIDS.

See, familiarity.

[BankItDrew]

See, familiarity.

I lol'd irl

dick

[Cory]

Corey makes a good observation about baudib already:

Baudib hopes to target the tailor early. With 15 players in this game, it's going to be more of a bonus on top of lynching a wolf. it's sooooo much of a crapshoot early on.

Baudib wolfy
corey villagery
corey looking like dhubs 2.0 with his green posts

God I hate saying this word but pushing baudib for being ~naive in #10 seems sort of grossly opportunistic

I remember not liking this the first time but considering he's been sort of all over the place I want to see if he's even trying to figure things out or if he's just saying things since he has "so much more content" or whatever than me LDO

[ShipItUp]

God I hate saying this word but pushing baudib for being ~naive in #10 seems sort of grossly opportunistic

I remember not liking this the first time but considering he's been sort of all over the place I want to see if he's even trying to figure things out or if he's just saying things since he has "so much more content" or whatever than me LDO

Your pony is slow my friend

[Cory]

Your pony is slow my friend

Shut up I'm doing my reread now

I had to fill out contract stuff when I got him for the condo I'm buying. We are through attorney review

[ShipItUp]

Shut up I'm doing my reread now

I had to fill out contract stuff when I got him for the condo I'm buying. We are through attorney review

n*ce

[baudib]

oh shut up Drew

[BankItDrew]

lynch baudib

[baudib]

oh, no you don't

I am flat out not putting up with you clowns pecking at me all game because you don't have functioning brains. if you wanna try to cast shade on me then get lunched.

lynch Drew

[ShipItUp]

I randed villager in a werewolf game

[baudib]

I randed villager in a werewolf game

Ship you only have 3 posts left for this 24-hour cycle.

you know I know this is a wolfy entrance for you. whyyyyyy

[ShipItUp]

Ship you only have 3 posts left for this 24-hour cycle.

you know I know this is a wolfy entrance for you. whyyyyyy

What in the actual fuck are you talking about.

The bottom of this reads as disingenuous and as if you know my role btw

lynch baudi

[BankItDrew]

If I die befor D2 again, I swear to god...

baudib, don't tell players to shut up

[ShipItUp]

I didn't really have a follow up to that tbh

Hi tho

[ShipItUp]

The thing with baudi trying to target the tailor makes no sense considering it's impossible to specifically target a wolf role without any information. But I'm still trying to figure out what I think about it. Other than that he's posting relatively in line with what I think he would as a villager, not super up to date on his wolf range tho so not putting all my stock in to that.


Look at this hedgy piece of shit post lol

[baudib]

I saw you make posts like that in a game where you were a wolf in a turbo, the whole game.

just stop it's alarming.

[GatorJH]

I promise this game to NOT think everything baudib says is wolfy. Only half of it.

[baudib]

Don't worry about it, Gator. You can't get me lynched anyway, and I'm the least of your problems if you're a villager.

[Hoopy]

We've swapped one British mod for another, jolly good show chaps!

All of the new people are baudib's buddies?

[baudib]

We've swapped one British mod for another, jolly good show chaps!

All of the new people are baudib's buddies?

I don't know who MonkeyFace is.

standard Hoopy null post.

[GatorJH]

lynch shipitup

His argument against Baudib is weak and looks more like he just wants to get rid of someone who may be able to read him.

[a500lbgorilla]

Gabe's not a wolf either.

[OngBonga]

lynch gator

#soulread

[baudib]

Cory
Ong


Gator
Monkey

Drew

Ship

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Cory
Ong


Gator
Monkey

Drew

Ship

Can you elaborate?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I'm a new player.

[Hoopy]

I'm a new player.

So this is your first ever time playing Werewolf?

If so I think you should stop talking about night actions.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I'm a new player.

So this is your first ever time playing Werewolf?

If so I think you should stop talking about night actions.

I've only played forum werewolf a couple times but I've read tons of games from different poker sites

[Cory]

So this is your first ever time playing Werewolf?

If so I think you should stop talking about night actions.

I don't know if I like or dislike Hoopy

Everything he says seems to just be words on a page with nothing behind them

Babidi said something about his posting being ~usually null so IDK what to do with it

[baudib]

Think we need clarification on order of night actions, also if being angeled prevents night actions from occurring.

[ShipItUp]

If I die befor D2 again, I swear to god...

baudib, don't tell players to shut up

Different tone in the top and bottom portions of this post is pinging me, makes it seem like the top wasn't genuine.

I saw you make posts like that in a game where you were a wolf in a turbo, the whole game.

just stop it's alarming.

1)I've made similar posts as a villager before
2)You know I've made similar posts as a villager before because you copied an opener I did like that
3)The fact that I posted in a certain way in one of my 60 turbo wolf games isn't really relevant. Especially considering the fact I've done it as a villa as well.

lynch shipitup

His argument against Baudib is weak and looks more like he just wants to get rid of someone who may be able to read him.

Baudi can't read me and considering you have no knowledge of our history there is no way you should be confident enough in that to vote me. You're just playing guess work which is hypocritical considering you're pushing me for a weak vote.

gator pretending to have not read the role clearly enough to know it's tailor, not traitor. Coming from gator, this could be a deliberate derp designed to make it look like he's not the tailor. I would expect gator to have read the roles, as either alignment. I think we might have found the tailor already.

This is reaching pretty hard

[gabe]

I've been thinking about this for the past hour or so.

It'd be nice if we can nail the tailor really early.

This is gonna be a wolf who is worth preserving for the wolf team obviously, with full bussing rights. Reading deep into interactions will be key.

This could mess with village strategies in a big way, but I'd rather not talk about that for now.

wolf leaning post for thinking so much about wolf roles.

Ship you only have 3 posts left for this 24-hour cycle.

you know I know this is a wolfy entrance for you. whyyyyyy

this post consists of an allusion to some nonsense read and a jokey tone follow up. seems unnatural for baidb. wolfy

I saw you make posts like that in a game where you were a wolf in a turbo, the whole game.

just stop it's alarming.

telling himself to "just stop [posting]" after making so many obvious wolfy posts on day 1. the last sentence of the previous quote expresses feeling also

I promise this game to NOT think everything baudib says is wolfy. Only half of it.

meh wolfy

lynch shipitup

His argument against Baudib is weak and looks more like he just wants to get rid of someone who may be able to read him.

i had the opposite feeling on shipitup. so i feel its likely gator is a wolf knowing shipitup might be dangerous.

Do you really think if I was the tailor I would draw that much attention to myself? Sheesh.

thinking about wolfy roles = wolfy. especially when the 'wolf tailor' is a new role at FTR and it requires everyone to be aware of it. but villagers are less likely to bring it up on day1. wolfy points for baudib and gator for this

You two cut this shit out RIGHT NOW!!!

Vig, if Ong and Baudib go after each other all day please shoot one of them tonight and based on last games' results it should probably be Ong.

maybe wolfy. not as strong of a feeling on this one

Different tone in the top and bottom portions of this post is pinging me, makes it seem like the top wasn't genuine.

1)I've made similar posts as a villager before
2)You know I've made similar posts as a villager before because you copied an opener I did like that
3)The fact that I posted in a certain way in one of my 60 turbo wolf games isn't really relevant. Especially considering the fact I've done it as a villa as well.

Baudi can't read me and considering you have no knowledge of our history there is no way you should be confident enough in that to vote me. You're just playing guess work which is hypocritical considering you're pushing me for a weak vote.

This is reaching pretty hard

this post i thought SIU was spelling things out in a pure way

[baudib]

Different tone in the top and bottom portions of this post is pinging me, makes it seem like the top wasn't genuine.

1)I've made similar posts as a villager before
2)You know I've made similar posts as a villager before because you copied an opener I did like that
3)The fact that I posted in a certain way in one of my 60 turbo wolf games isn't really relevant. Especially considering the fact I've done it as a villa as well.

Baudi can't read me and considering you have no knowledge of our history there is no way you should be confident enough in that to vote me. You're just playing guess work which is hypocritical considering you're pushing me for a weak vote.

for instance this post by SIU is largely true but an extreme overreaction to a pretty simple point:

Ship is slightly more likely to post in this fashion as a wolf than a villager.

When someone says, "I do this in both roles" or "it's role-neutral" etc., this is also a pretty big red flag and often isn't true.

SIU did in fact post entirely in this manner for a whole game, as a wolf, and he hasn't done that as a villager. Thus, starting the game like that isn't a good sign, because it's not his normal opening. As for the times I had "copied" his style, I was a wolf 60% of the time (3 of 5).

Anyway, SIU is on the back burner until he and Kami talk ITT.

[Evene]

This multi-quote thing is crazy.

No I think it's an unouted gimmick for someone from 2+2

I might be clearing him too light then.

so far i think gator, ong, and baud are on my suspicious list.

shipitup and monkeyface seem very villager to me

monkeyface, i dont think that jkds stuff is necessarily wolfy. after just finishing a game with him, and playing with him a lot in the past, jkds is doing that stuff often has a villager

Thought this was a wolfy post, but the follow-up was excellent.

[ShipItUp]

for instance this post by SIU is largely true but an extreme overreaction to a pretty simple point:

Ship is slightly more likely to post in this fashion as a wolf than a villager.

When someone says, "I do this in both roles" or "it's role-neutral" etc., this is also a pretty big red flag and often isn't true.

SIU did in fact post entirely in this manner for a whole game, as a wolf, and he hasn't done that as a villager. Thus, starting the game like that isn't a good sign, because it's not his normal opening. As for the times I had "copied" his style, I was a wolf 60% of the time (3 of 5).

Anyway, SIU is on the back burner until he and Kami talk ITT.

No it wasn't, you were posting something incorrect so I told you the reasons why you were incorrect.

The underlined is irrelevant because I haven't posted in that way afterwards, and you should know better than to assume I would copy a line like that as a wolf anyway.

[a500lbgorilla]

Different tone in the top and bottom portions of this post is pinging me, makes it seem like the top wasn't genuine.

1)I've made similar posts as a villager before
2)You know I've made similar posts as a villager before because you copied an opener I did like that
3)The fact that I posted in a certain way in one of my 60 turbo wolf games isn't really relevant. Especially considering the fact I've done it as a villa as well.

Baudi can't read me and considering you have no knowledge of our history there is no way you should be confident enough in that to vote me. You're just playing guess work which is hypocritical considering you're pushing me for a weak vote.

This is reaching pretty hard

This is the kinda stuff that I mean about mechanically sound. Someone calls a post by you wolfy, counter that you've done it as a villager to brush it off their mind. Reassert that they can't read you, anyway.

[baudib]

Ong

Cory

Gator
Monkey

Drew
Hoopy

Ship

[baudib]

This "case" on Gator is laughable. You guys would literally never catch Gator like that.

Ong seems to believe it though.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I'm a new player.

This "case" on Gator is laughable. You guys would literally never catch Gator like that.

Ong seems to believe it though.

This post feels out of place for the beginning of a game

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I'm gonna hammer out some reads right now while reading the thread

I've been thinking about this for the past hour or so.

It'd be nice if we can nail the tailor really early.

This is gonna be a wolf who is worth preserving for the wolf team obviously, with full bussing rights. Reading deep into interactions will be key.

This could mess with village strategies in a big way, but I'd rather not talk about that for now.

The first part reeks of villager even those the rest of it is a bit strange. Hopefully this villager POV thought process continues throughout this game and he should be clear.

Can baudib fake that?

[baudib]

Like, it seems that Gator is in love with the concept of "derp clearing" but

A. it's not really a derp-clear. no one would give anyone credit for that
B. it's somewhat preposterous to think that Gator is incapable of making a simple mistake like that, and instead, made an intentional mistake, because, you know, he needs cheap tricks to get by as a wolf.
C. just no

Also, Gator seems to be in a lighthearted mood, which may be villagery for him. hehe