Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

[Luco]

Ong why would you aroo as a villager?

[OngBonga]

Ong why would you aroo as a villager?

Because I really think that boog/monstr is the key to this. They need his mislynch more than mine. whether that's because we're an easier mislynch, or because rascal is a wolf, idk, but I would MUCH rather be lynched before boog, because then baudib will get lynched before boog, and then, all being well, have the required cleared pairs to lock the win.

That is why baudib wants boog before me. He knows once I die, he's fucked, and once he dies, boog is clear.

[OngBonga]

What you actually did was to pop in, see we lynched a wolf and say, "ok I guess that changed nothing."

1.33am

Mod Corner: RESULTS

1.40am

lynch Boog

never changing

[baudib]

What you actually did was to pop in, see we lynched a wolf and say, "ok I guess that changed nothing."

1.33am



1.40am

lol you were waiting to say that?

I had Wuf-Boog as a wolf team all of Day 2. Boog was ALWAYS more likely to be a wolf than Wuf, who was a wolf.

[MadMojoMonkey]

There's no way I'm letting baud and ong live past tomorrow... one today and one tomorrow.
@Ong: You fucking howled in the thread. Welcome to the BIDville of shooting yourself in the foot if you flip V.
@baud: There's no way there's not a wolf between you and rilla.

It think it's reasonable that rilla's reason to vote baud is to shut him up.

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@Luco: I re-read page 14... what's your point?
Or were you just trying to waste my time telling me to do something I've already done twice?

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still rereading.

I'm moving my placeholder vote to Ong for now.

It's a toss up as to which between baud and ong dies first.

Both wagons seem equally good, with Ong's edging out for the direct howl, and baud/rilla edging back for the fact that rilla may be the W there and he's not doing much.

[baudib]

There's no way I'm letting baud and ong live past tomorrow... one today and one tomorrow.
@Ong: You fucking howled in the thread. Welcome to the BIDville of shooting yourself in the foot if you flip V.
@baud: There's no way there's not a wolf between you and rilla.

It think it's reasonable that rilla's reason to vote baud is to shut him up.

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@Luco: I re-read page 14... what's your point?
Or were you just trying to waste my time telling me to do something I've already done twice?

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still rereading.

I'm moving my placeholder vote to Ong for now.

It's a toss up as to which between baud and ong dies first.

Both wagons seem equally good, with Ong's edging out for the direct howl, and baud/rilla edging back for the fact that rilla may be the W there and he's not doing much.

the correct lynch here is Boog always. saying you will lynch Ong and then me is absurd when you yourself have said we are always V-W.

[BankItDrew]

the correct lynch here is Boog always. saying you will lynch Ong and then me is absurd when you yourself have said we are always V-W.

IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE BECAUSE ONG SAID HE WAS A WOLF

How the eff are we not lynching ong today after that?

[baudib]

IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE BECAUSE ONG SAID HE WAS A WOLF

How the eff are we not lynching ong today after that?

because if we lynch Ong there is a chance you guys go back to lynching me or something ridiculous tomorrow and let Boog off the hook.

[OngBonga]

because if we lynch Ong there is a chance you guys go back to lynching me or something ridiculous tomorrow and let Boog off the hook.

Look who's anticipating my villager flip already.

[MadMojoMonkey]

the correct lynch here is Boog always. saying you will lynch Ong and then me is absurd when you yourself have said we are always V-W.

Nope. I never said that. I said you have theown down that you are not V-V. W-W is def. on the table.

[baudib]

Nope. I never said that. I said you have theown down that you are not V-V. W-W is def. on the table.

oh. well. LOL

[OngBonga]

mojo how can you not see what I'm doing. Read baudib's post #2393, and most of his other posts today.

Baudib says I'm a wolf with boog. Why is it so important to baudib that boog goes first?

[baudib]

mojo how can you not see what I'm doing. Read baudib's post #2393, and most of his other posts today.

Baudib says I'm a wolf with boog. Why is it so important to baudib that boog goes first?

because it is correct as Boog:

1. Is and has always been the most direct connection to Wuf
2. Resolves the Day 1 villager lynch wagons
3. has distanced himself from Ong

[baudib]

MMM:

explain in your own words why Wuf did what he did on Day 1. talk it through with Ong, who should be the only person you can trust right now.

you'll figure it out.

[Luco]

I think if ever a game was absolutely ripe for growl on growl action it's this one. No specials, no noms. Wolves could literally tear each other to shreds and send the last man standing deep

[baudib]

I think if ever a game was absolutely ripe for growl on growl action it's this one. No specials, no noms. Wolves could literally tear each other to shreds and send the last man standing deep

no, I think it's the worst format to do that as the wolves have no killing power.

[BankItDrew]

I think if ever a game was absolutely ripe for growl on growl action it's this one. No specials, no noms. Wolves could literally tear each other to shreds and send the last man standing deep

Yeah I agree with baudib on this because the same could be said for our standard set-up.

[OngBonga]

Listen to drew. I flat out claimed wolf, and fucking howled. There's no way you can lynch boog ahead of me now. No fucking way.

Just DO NOT LYNCH BOOG BEFORE BAUDIB, and we're golden.

[baudib]

I mean seriously, Ong, Boog and Keybored have been in full blown anti-spew mode for almost 30 hours now. Don't let them dictate the lynch order.

[OngBonga]

Why on earth would you get lynched tomorrow if I flip wolf today?

[baudib]

Why on earth would you get lynched tomorrow if I flip wolf today?

have you seen this village? read MMM's last post.

[baudib]

Keybored is still more of a threat than Ong IMO.

[baudib]

Ong, talk about Keybored and Daven.

[Luco]

I need to go back and re-read how baudib went from overtly defending wuf-hoopy d1 to attacking them all d2, see if I can follow it

[baudib]

I need to go back and re-read how baudib went from overtly defending wuf-hoopy d1 to attacking them all d2, see if I can follow it

the only reason I defended Wuf was that I felt the formation of his wagon indicated that there were wolves on it.

There were.

[baudib]

I need to go back and re-read how baudib went from overtly defending wuf-hoopy d1 to attacking them all d2, see if I can follow it

and the logical conclusion that everyone should come to after the Gabe flip is that Boog is a wolf and wolves saved him.

He is, and they did. Ong has said himself many times that if we think wolves saved Boog, we should think he's a wolf.

[baudib]

I need to go back and re-read how baudib went from overtly defending wuf-hoopy d1 to attacking them all d2, see if I can follow it

furthermore, I always believed Boog was the most likely wolf but Monstr almost always a villager, and the extra wolf equity in Hoopy - Monstr led me to lynching Wuf over Boog.

[OngBonga]

I'll talk about everyone.

rilla/baudib
rascal/ong
keyb/luco
drew/mojo
boog/monstr
daven/bigred

We have six pairs, that's twelve people, three wolves, nine villagers. So long as there are four villagers alive, wolves cannot win. Thus, two cleared pairs will win for the village.

We have drew/mojo, who look really solid in terms of their v cred. Bearing in mind that there's likely to be three villagers paired to the wolves, there's a very good chance we already have this won, because the three "bad" villagers, together with drew/mojo, is more than the sum of the wolves. If there's a pair of wolves together, then it gets interesting. There's an extra mislynch for them, which gives them out. But, what happens when we get one more cleared pair of villagers? Then we have it locked.

Does anyone see why boog is such a key mislynch yet? Does anyone see why baudib is flat out insisting that boog goes before I do? Because THEY FUCKING NEED HIS MISLYNCH.

[baudib]

I'll talk about everyone.

rilla/baudib
rascal/ong
keyb/luco
drew/mojo
boog/monstr
daven/bigred

We have six pairs, that's twelve people, three wolves, nine villagers. So long as there are four villagers alive, wolves cannot win. Thus, two cleared pairs will win for the village.

We have drew/mojo, who look really solid in terms of their v cred. Bearing in mind that there's likely to be three villagers paired to the wolves, there's a very good chance we already have this won, because the three "bad" villagers, together with drew/mojo, is more than the sum of the wolves. If there's a pair of wolves together, then it gets interesting. There's an extra mislynch for them, which gives them out. But, what happens when we get one more cleared pair of villagers? Then we have it locked.

Does anyone see why boog is such a key mislynch yet? Does anyone see why baudib is flat out insisting that boog goes before I do? Because THEY FUCKING NEED HIS MISLYNCH.

you notably did not talk about Daven and Keybored here, incidentally.

[BankItDrew]

Who said anything about v cred?

If you believe it, then you're not thinking it through.
As a wolf, it is stupid in all circumstances.
As a villager, it's not stupid if I truly believe that my lynch is not a bad thing when considering the bigger picture.

It this not you trying to explain how it makes more sense for a villager to do what you did than a wolf?

[OngBonga]

It this not you trying to explain how it makes more sense for a villager to do what you did than a wolf?

Well I suppose so. It doesn't matter though. I didn't do it for village cred, because a) I'm not a wolf, and b) I know I'll get none for it.

[OngBonga]

you notably did not talk about Daven and Keybored here, incidentally.

So? It doesn't matter. We've won so long as you die before boog.

[OngBonga]

I think balance dictates that there has to be a wolf pair. If all the wolves are split, then just one single cleared villager pair is enough to secure the win for the village. That seems too tough for the wolves, even considering the lack of specials.

There has to be a wolf pair imo.

[a500lbgorilla]

I think balance dictates that there has to be a wolf pair. If all the wolves are split, then just one single cleared villager pair is enough to secure the win for the village. That seems too tough for the wolves, even considering the lack of specials.

There has to be a wolf pair imo.

Game design also prevents truly cleared villager pairs.

[OngBonga]

Game design also prevents truly cleared villager pairs.

True, but it's really tight for the wolves from the very start. Too tight for a balanced game imo. I think there's a w/w pair.

[baudib]

I think balance dictates that there has to be a wolf pair. If all the wolves are split, then just one single cleared villager pair is enough to secure the win for the village. That seems too tough for the wolves, even considering the lack of specials.

There has to be a wolf pair imo.

the game is cinched, you are mathematically eliminated.

[baudib]

I just want us to play correctly. If you guys insist on lynching Ong first, that's fine. It just means more work for me, I'll put in more effort on Day 4.

[BankItDrew]

I'd like to hear about why players haven't yet bolded ong after he said he was a wolf.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'd like to hear about why players haven't yet bolded ong after he said he was a wolf.

I don't suspect he's a wolf.

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't suspect he's a wolf.

Though, I am interested to see his role flip. If he flips wolf, it'll be a learning experience.

[BankItDrew]

I don't suspect he's a wolf.

But he said he was a wolf.

[a500lbgorilla]

But he said he was a wolf.

Yes, he has.

[OngBonga]

But he said he was a wolf.

Yeah but do you actually believe it, or is it policy? If you believe it, then you're not thinking it through.

As a wolf, it is stupid in all circumstances.
As a villager, it's not stupid if I truly believe that my lynch is not a bad thing when considering the bigger picture.

[MadMojoMonkey]

But he said he was a wolf.

At this point it's another in a line of odd hail mary's that Ong has thrown.

From his rally to the gabe vote, to his "I only make this post as a villager" post, to his vote on and off of rascal and now this.

Ong is spazzing all over the place.

[OngBonga]

Ong is spazzing all over the place.

I'm actually enjoying this game again. IRL yesterday was tiresome. I'm happy now that boog isn't gettig lynched. So now I'm going to flip villager, and put a whole world of pressure on baudib tomorrow. When he flips wolf, you'll find the last two wolves really quickly because boog will be cleared.

I feel like we've won already. I feel as though I've taken away the wolves' only hope, which was to secure boog's mislynch before he becomes cleared by associsation.

[OngBonga]

I'd like to hear about why players haven't yet bolded ong after he said he was a wolf.

Yeah, even I'm on me.

[OngBonga]

drew knows I'm a villager, he just doesn't want me to think I can get away with it as a wolf. I actually admire his stance, even though there is a strategic reason for my howling.

[BankItDrew]

I actually admire his stance, even though there is a strategic reason for my howling.

Since when do you get V cred for saying "I am a wolf"?

[OngBonga]

Since when do you get V cred for saying "I am a wolf"?

Who said anything about v cred?

[a500lbgorilla]

drew knows I'm a villager, he just doesn't want me to think I can get away with it as a wolf. I actually admire his stance, even though there is a strategic reason for my howling.

So what was the reason?

[OngBonga]

So what was the reason?

To ensure boog doesn't get lynched before me.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I wanna understand how 2 days of conversation centered around Boog happens, and Boog has 5 posts during that time.

Paging bigred. Will bigred please play the game or request to be subbed out? Paging bigred.

Hey daven. 3 posts? You up a mountain again?

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The sheer imbalance in post count this game is a massive headache.

[Luco]

I wanna understand how 2 days of conversation centered around Boog happens, and Boog has 5 posts during that time.

Paging bigred. Will bigred please play the game or request to be subbed out? Paging bigred.

Hey daven. 3 posts? You up a mountain again?

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The sheer imbalance in post count this game is a massive headache.

Ding Ding Ding

[OngBonga]

I think boog will be totally bemused by events this game.

[a500lbgorilla]

Baudib's right, ong. What are you reads on Keyb, Daven and the rest of the gang?

[OngBonga]

Baudib's right, ong. What are you reads on Keyb, Daven and the rest of the gang?

keyb and daven are probably villagers. daven was very strong against wuf. daven's lack of involvement can easily be explained by southern hemisphere, summer, new zealand and mountains. I'd be as active as him if I were where he is. keyb could be a wolf, but I'm liking him right now. My lack of interest in seriously looking for them is because it doesn't matter. As soon as boog/monstr are clear, there's no hiding places left for the wolves.

I'll punt at luco and rascal as the last two.

[Keybored]

ONG...I have a question for you that requires a real time answer. You online right now?

[OngBonga]

ONG...I have a question for you that requires a real time answer. You online right now?

No.

[Keybored]

Baud...same for you. You online?

[Keybored]

ONG...WHAT IS YOUR CHARACTER NAME?
Answer right this second!!!

[MadMojoMonkey]

[OngBonga]

Someone's virtual girlfriend... russian name

[Keybored]

If you're a wolf...you won't have to look up KGB characters and cross check with what Wuf has already used.

[OngBonga]

Kreiger's Virtual Girlfriend with ISIS

[OngBonga]

rascal is Kreiger, btw

[a500lbgorilla]

JKDS gave them cover names.

[Keybored]

JKDS gave them cover names.

The wolves got Villager cover names.
The villagers got villager names, no covers.
Ong should have been able to insta-drop his KGB name

[a500lbgorilla]

The wolves got Villager cover names.
The villagers got villager names, no covers.
Ong should have been able to insta-drop his KGB name

...his KGB name?

[Keybored]

Ready to move your vote to the right place now?

[OngBonga]

Fuck, my apologies if I shouldn't have said that. As soon as I hit submit I realised what I did...

[a500lbgorilla]

Fuck, my apologies if I shouldn't have said that. As soon as I hit submit I realised what I did...

OH YOU'RE FUCKED NOW

[OngBonga]

popcorn

[MadMojoMonkey]

Specific Game Rules

[/B]1. Every player is linked to another player. If you die, the person linked to you dies as well.
2. You dont know the alignment of the person youre linked to! They could be ISIS, or KGB!
3. You may talk with the person you are linked to anytime, in any way. I prefer quicktopics myself, so that they can be shared at endgame.
4. You may reveal your role name at anytime, but be warned. The KGB each have believable fake claims. This will probably get you nowhere.
5. Self-lynches will NOT be modkillable offenses this game. However, they will still count as a vote.

4. You may reveal your role name at anytime, but be warned. The KGB each have believable fake claims. This will probably get you nowhere.

[Keybored]

If Ong's claiming to be KGB (wolf), he should have dropped us his KGB name...

[a500lbgorilla]

If Ong's claiming to be KGB (wolf), he should have dropped us his KGB name...

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Is Baudib right?