Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

... not just for that reason either.

I'm not arguing he's a wolf, I'm postulating he's an unknown.

I just can't imagine the recant being good for anyone. It was a piss poor decision. Maybe I'm focusing too much on the recant... but it's hard to ignore. I'll try to look past it to see where you're coming from Supa... but I just keep stopping there.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Shotglass now appears to be struggling to cope without guidance. I didn't have guidance to begin with

Village, ask yourself this question... whose posting style has changed since gator died?

My style has changed since that shit happened (happening) in the dead thread. I can't believe that someone has gotten as much shit as Keith has for standing up for something that he believes in. Even though his original post may have been off target because of the fact that we all decided that we were joking about the cyber thing, it's still absolutely no reason for everyone, ESPECIALLY AN ADMIN to attack him the way they have. Once I posted my response, that should have ended it. We should ALL be ashamed of ourselves.

That's why my posting style has changed, because my attittude about this place has changed. It's also why I keep posting "Lynch Me" 'cause once this game's over, I'm outta here. I won't do it in the middle of the game because I won't fuck over the village like that.

Keith, you have my appologies for any joking that I did after you posted your thoughts.

Now that you all know that I wan't this game to end or for me to be lynched, don't you think that if I were the last wolf that I'd just fucking howl?

Fuck it, rescind Ong, Lynch Shotglass

thats pretty much the dumbest f thing you could have done. congrats on getting mod killed. i have a massive headache atm and will post more later but dont fucking play if you going to fucking suicide. christ.

Oh fucking jesus, what happened? At first I'm reading shotty's thoughts thinking "Haha nice, she's using the shit in the dead thread to look villagery and pretend she doesn't care", then I scroll down and she's self lynching. Does the last wolf EVER do that?

Can't believe my stupid cyber comment started this.

Shotglass, a villager, lost at semi-automatic russian roulette.

The village of Netherlife:

Bikes
Hoopy
OngBonga
Ragnar
Supa

1 Werewolves
4 Villagers
16 Dead

bigred, the Turncoat, lynched on day 1
Willburforce, a villager, eaten on night 1
fulksy, a villager, lynched on day 2
BennyLaRue, a werewolf, shot on night 2
DanAronG, a villager, eaten on night 2
Warpe, a villager, lynched on day 3
Boog690, a villager, modkilled on day 3
jackvance, a villager, modkilled on day 3
gabe, the Vigilante, eaten on night 3
Philly and the phanatics, a villager, lynched on day 4
DropTheBanana, the angel, eaten on night 4
GatorJH, the werewolf, lynched on day 5
lolzzz_321, the Medium, eaten on night 5
TLR, a villager, lynched on day 6
wufwugy, a villager, eaten on night 6
Shotglass, a villager, modkilled on day 7

As such, I'll extend the day to end at 9 pm EST on Friday.

Well, truth be told I actually think this helps the village. We now know shotty isn't the wolf. It hasn't cost us a day since we were at 3 to 1 tomorrow, now it's 2 to 1 and there's less villagers to lynch on final day. Think about it. With three villagers, tomorrow was going to be very tough. Now, you guys can lynch either myself or supa today, and as far as I'm concerned we got this won. So nice self lynch shotty!

I'm mega fucking surprised she's not a wolf. And please shotty, don't be "outta here", the way you played this game, I think you're a very good WW player, and an asset to the BC. Don't leave just because most people on the internet are dicks, I nearly did that through all the reputation shit but eventually thought "fuck them, why should I not play WW because of them wankers?". I'd hate to think you left just because I made a drunken comment that got blown way out of proportion. Again, sorry.

So, anyone think the last wolf isn't either me or supa?

Onto the bikes thing... there should be no doubt he's a villager. Lolz said he was a villager, then said he didn't know and was just seeing how shotty reacted, then made it clear several times that bikes is a villager. I don't see where the doubt comes from, people are not checking posts made by lolz after the initial post re bikes' role.

Bikes... confirmed

Ragnar... if he's the wolf he's an arsehole. I'll make him default day one lynch for as many games as it takes until we lynch him on day one as a wolf.

Hoopy... I just really don't see bigred trying to deflect his wagon onto hoopy on day one if hoopy is a wolf, because wuf a villager was getting heat, bigred would deflect onto wuf every time.

Supa - obviously the wolf then, isn't he?

OngBonga... ok I was wrong about shotty, and if you guys decide that I should be lynched for it, DO IT TODAY!!! Seriously, you can't do it tomorrow because otherwise we lose. That is a fact.

well then. WTF. This new shotglass development is retarded.

I was going to post something, but I can't get past that. At work all day, and it's gonna be a busy one. I'll try to post my thoughts from my phone.. But this lynch is kinda important.. we need to take our time.

I get home about 7:30 eastern... I'll post my thoughts then.

I like where Ongabonga is going, and I think Supa really needs to come up with why he's not a wolf.

i have food poisoning and feel like shit and i dont want to post a bunch of info because if its wrong then it screws the village over. im still really fucking pissed about shotglass but i'll keep my true rant till after this game is over. when i wake up tomorrow ill post more but i feel like complete shit at the moment and its difficult to string coherent thoughts together.

never again am i eating thai street food

Well I for one am happy with shotglass, she's made life much easier for the village tomorrow if we get the lynch wrong today. It's possibly worth considering self-lynching as a villager tactic in the future so late if we're looking at a 3:1 final day, a final day of 2:1 is much better, isn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

So I go away for 12 hours and come back to find Shotglass is modkilled, confused right now.

2 lynch's left, wolves must gone for a fairly sick level this time.

I agree with Ragnar why wuf was killed (due to his leveling abilities), there's also another reason which I'm thinking over now to see if it makes any sense.

See it's actually possible (small %) that Ragnar is a wolf. To be away for long periods (excluding myself obv ) in this game is a bad strategy whatever role you are given the imminent threat of the coin.

I think if he was going to be away a while or thought he might be then he'd vote for anybody just to be sure of avoiding the coin. If Rags is a wolf then whatever they won a flip, but I think it's very unlikely.

Originally Posted by supa

I'm always about getting picked to be a special because I might fuck whatever special role I get horribly. Not so much anymore because this is some hilariously bad special play if it's all true. Dunno how much time is left but I guess I'll rescind wuf and lynch fulksy. Honestly, if we have time I think we should switch to ragnar coz he's gonna get modkilled anyway, so I'll switch if that can take off fast.

If benny isn't the angel, the angel should not out and should protect lolzzz imo. If he is he's dead anyway so if gabe is the vig he should still shoot benny as to prove himself I think. I could be wrong about that but it makes sense to me. Obv if gabe isn't the vig then the vig should still shoot gabe.

Oic, we have like 1/2 an hour.

Ok, going through supa's posts, he helped save wuf too. He then miscounts the votes...

Originally Posted by supa

Looks like Wuf 6- fulksy 4

Rilla then posts, pointing out it's 5-4, gator comes in a makes his all-important vote, and rilla flips a coin.

Why was gator so keen to save wuf? Because fulksy was obviously a disinterested villager who was facing modkill, while wuf was someone who should've been easy to lynch next day. Once we discover wuf is a villager, those who saved him look like solid villagers, since the wolves would surely let a villager wuf hang.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Originally Posted by OngBonga
Gator, there's not many wolves who would have the bollocks to be so blatant, but I do believe you are capable of it. Thing is, if wuf's a wolf, you look suspect. But you know this, of course. So when wuf turns up villager, you look like a villager too. Wuf might be a villager after all.

This sorta stuff very rarely actually pans out to be true.

JV makes this post just after two posts, one from philly and the other from ragnar, pointing the finger at supa. Supa then chimes in with...

Originally Posted by supa

Awesome.

What was awesome? That two people are gunning for you, or that JV, a villager, thinks that my read on gator is off?

Gator pipes in...

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Supa has been high on my wolf list for a couple of days so I could be on board with that lynch.

Then supa comes in and tells the village that my read on gator is off (though he wasn't the only one of course, shotty too did this)...

Originally Posted by supa

Agree with gator on all points. People coming up with crazy scenarios just because they think others can pull off massive levels are just adding confusion to the game, at least for me anyway.

I found this post from yours truly...

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Respond? Did I miss a question? I don't care if I die, that's why I haven't responded as you might have hoped. I'm not a special, so I'm happy to go to the gallows if it helps the village, which it will. Don't lynch the inactives. If they coast through as a wolf, well, bravo to them for their tactical superiority. There's a high % that all of them are villagers, because they would all be stoked if they were a wolf.

The way I see it, there's not that many wolf candidates. There's shotty, gator, wuf, bikes, hoopy supa and myself. This group should be who the village target. If it has to be me, so be it. Just don't string up the inactives, it will help the wolves more than us.

I was begging the village to not string up the inactives, telling everyone I was a better lynch. This post should put me firmly in the villager camp. After myself, there's hoopy and supa left in the suspect group. Hoopy is pretty much cleared in my book, to be fair to him he shouldn't even have made the list, but at the time wuf's role was unknown.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Well, I just hope the village remember who was keen to see inactives die when we see they're villagers..

That would mainly be gator, supa, hoopy and shotty. It's one of the reasons I was so set on shotty being a wolf, but I foolishly allowed supa to dodge my radar. I definitely have much to learn.

Moving on, lolz pops his head in to bold philly. Supa is next up with...

Originally Posted by supa

OK lynch philly

Standard, huh? Wait for lolz, follow his lead, give nothing away.

Ok, I got to the beginning of page 20 now in my reread. I'll put another hour in later, that should do the job.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

incoming soulread


all three wolves were involved in the lynch wuf day, benny didn't flip off because gabe gonna shoot him, gator saved me due to villager cred even though there was somewhat of a gamble in being scanned for it, and either shotty or supa are the last wolf because they were paying attention

So wuf found his soulreading hat?

Ok, this post is important...

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I can always get on board with a lynch supa

This was a dead gator talking. Is it reasonable to think he would vote for the last wolf to give him villager cred? Supa was the one who was trying to suggest that gator had made a mistake with his look-up list, and because of this I unbolded supa when he had a wagon starting while we all held our dicks not knowing what to do about lolz and gator.

Supa himself responded with...

Originally Posted by supa

Dead wolf talking.

At this point, gator and supa have a little exchange between them, and there's a suggestion that both could be wolves, which results in this little to-and-fro with myself and supa...

Originally Posted by supa

How in the hell am I a wolf if Gator is?

Omfg, Gator gets some heat on him, fake outs as the medium, and you guys stop putting any pressure on him and start going after eachother, aloowing him to play perfectly.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Mainly because he's trying to get you lynched. This would give him huge cred if you are a wolf and if he gets to an endgame with lolz and someone else. It's about the best chance he has if he is indeed a wolf.

Originally Posted by supa

So it makes sense for the last 2 wolves to get eachother lynched at this point in the game?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Yes. You're not both getting lynched today, are you?

Gator and supa then continue their little tiff...

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I posted the sequence of events and left the simple math up to everyone else.

Your post smells like panic wolf to me (which would be gg village if you get lynched today).

Originally Posted by supa

Was talking about your "lynch supa" post where you could have made a case for yourself but failed to do so. Setting me up as a panicked wolf is just fucking silly coz there wasn't any heat on me before I started calling you out. Silly Gator.

Just in case anyone was still in any doubt, this is like the third or fourth time lolz has said this...

Originally Posted by lolzzz_321

remember

gator = wolf
bikes = villager

Lolz also added this...

Originally Posted by lolzzz_321

I guess supa and gators banter is kinda suspicious.

Another important post...

Originally Posted by supa

Ok, went thru some of the thread to see if I could find your hints. Looks like you did a great job of doing your homework. Hears the thing, maybe you can clear it up. If you talked to wilbur, who died on night one, and who was the other person besides bigred you could have contacted that night (important point kids), and who told you wuf was a villager, then why did you jump on wufs band wagon toward the end, almost putting the nail in his coffin?

Just fucking arrooo already.

This is the second time supa makes a "mistake" in his attempt to prove gator is a wolf. Looks oh-so villagery, doesn't it? A wolf would be paying so much more attention.

Up to start of page 24.

Gator wrote

I still can't seem to shake the feeling that supa is a wolf, although when I went through the thread he did sorta seem like a villager. With that said, in past games it always seems like these types of players are the ones who end up being wolves.

Ong wrote

There's a good chance he'll pull the "I'm the medium" thing, which will amuse me greatly. To see gator desperately pull out a fake outing out will be wonderful.

So, it's looking like gator and shotglass, but what if lolz is a wolf? My money on the other is bikes. We should stretch this day out, because if gator is a villager, we could do with his final thoughts before we string him up.

The last wolf is Ongbonga.

He posts like a crazy villager with loads of theories, speculation and accusations. It's a good way to confuse the village yet look like a villager, Gator/Benny are easily good enough to see what level the village would view his posts on ("lol no wolf posts like this") and let him go nuts.

Never had a bandwagon or many votes, TLR wanted to string him up and he got into back and forth debates with wuf/Shotglass that didn't serve much purpose. Popped up with Gator/Benny at various points.

Everyone else has something that makes them look like a villager.

I'm guessing your plan was to get Shotglass lynched today then Supa tomorrow while nomming bikes tonight? Maybe now you'll try to lynch Supa then Ragnar or even kill me instead tonight to try and cast some more suspicion on bikes on the last day with Ragnar.

That's my theory anyway.

One other thing, Shotglass should stick around here.

Imo if its not supa, its ong. Ong makes a helluva case for why it is supa. And hoopy makes a good case for why its ong.

I said i would wait. But supa seems disinterested in defending himself. Wolfy to the max

LYNCH SUPA.

Well, hoopy, if you think I'm the wolf we're in big trouble. I suggest the village lynch me today, because otherwise this is what happens...

Supa gets lynched... if he's the wolf, it's all good. If he's villager, we're fucked tomorrow because I vote for ragnar, and ragnar votes for me... it's then on hoopy then to make the right call, and based on his last post I'm not optimistic.

I doubt very much that hoopy has ulterior motives here... if he's the wolf, he knows he's won this already, so there should be no need for him to go hard on me. He actually thinks I'm the wolf.

Do not fucking lynch me tomorrow, if I must die then do it today, and figure it out tomorrow.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Well, hoopy, if you think I'm the wolf we're in big trouble. I suggest the village lynch me today, because otherwise this is what happens...

I think you made some good points about Supa and would like to hear a defense from him.

Yeah I'm not putting my vote in until we've heard from both supa and bikes.

Obviously I think supa is our man, but that's only because I can't build a case against anyone else. Ragnar is the wolf if supa isn't, that's glaringly obvious to me, but I got nothing on him except his last post, which curiously came after hoopy's attack on me. If rag is the wolf, he sniffs victory by lynching supa today, knowing that hoopy goes for me tomorrow.

If hoopy is the wolf, then that's some sick levelling on day one, and if it's bikes, then lolz is an idiot. These two should be considered confirmed, and if they both agree on the lynch target, that's who the others should aim for, even if that's me. Just keep an eye on ragnar, who seems to be making optimal wolf moves at this moment. The only reason I don't think ragnar is a wolf is because of the flip and the warnings that rilla gave in advance, but you know, people do have lives outside of the forum, so I might be wrong.

If I thought I could survive tomorrow if supa dies a villager tonight, I would not be sweating over this, but it's tough now after hoopy's post.

supa post something

Fucking crap. Shotglass gets herself dead and now Ong has nobody to obsess over so he turns to me. I'm fucking flattered.

Like I said yesterday, I'm working 10hr days right now so anykind of a defense post is gonna have to wait. I'm not a wolf and I'm hoping enough of you have that figured out by now. Just got home so I'l respond to Ongs list of garbage that I actually haven't even read yet in a while.

Two things for the village to think about tho.

1) I was the #1 push for lynching Gator.
2) Letting Ong lead the village is fucking retarded.

at this point no one should be leading and everyone should be drawing their own conclusions and going from there.

Lol I'm not suggesting the village follow my lead, if you took the time to read my posts I'm actually suggesting the village follow bikes and hoopy's lead, since they're our two solid villagers. Supa, you're the only person I can't provide a solid villager argument for.

I suggest instead of calling my list garbage, which you admit you haven't read, you should perhaps build a case against who you think the last wolf is?

Why do you suppose people should have figured out you're not the wolf? Because you went after gator? So what, I'm the wolf, even though I went after... get this... gator? Look, it's either you, me or ragnar. Fact of the matter is, if I were a wolf, I would've gone after gator. So why do you expect us to believe you wouldn't go after gator as a wolf? How does that prove you're a villager?

Who do you think the wolf is supa? Me or ragnar?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Just keep an eye on ragnar, who seems to be making optimal wolf moves at this moment. The only reason I don't think ragnar is a wolf is because of the flip and the warnings that rilla gave in advance, but you know, people do have lives outside of the forum, so I might be wrong.

.

Negatory Ghostrider.

If I am a wolf, and If I'm making optimal moves as a wolf, why the fuck did I kill wuf? Optimal play kills Bikes.

I'm making optimal play as a villager, and I'm agreeing with you, to a certain extent. Why would you sew confusion when you have someone in your corner? You're convinced it's Supa. Absolutely 100% hands down beating Supa over the head, and some of the things you said make sense, a lot of sense. It's clear the wolves are lead-pipe-carrying levelers, which even takes out Supa's "zomg I voted to lynch Gator" argument.

The problem is: You're playing as a leveling wolf, or a straight forward villager with the way you can't keep your head on straight. The wuf kill makes the village scratch their heads, and makes us have to go through wuf's crap with a fine-toothed comb... He changs his mind, alters his wolf list heavily and can't come to a coherent decision, what are we supposed to make of that?

I'm more inclined to believe you're right with the Supa lynch than I am with my belief that you are also a strong wolf candidate.

Well, ragnar, either you, me or supa nommed wuf. Why would I do that when he's been saying most of the game I'm a villager? From where I'm sitting, either you or supa nommed wuf. That's one of two experienced players making a questionable move. Obviously it was done to cause confusion.

The optimal play I refer to is you bolding supa and announcing I'm next target, just after hoopy shows his cards. You waited to see what he had to say before saying your piece. It could, of course, be coincidence, or it could be that you wanted to see who he was going to target before deciding who you should aim for today out of me and supa.

If I nommed wuf, I'm a fucking idiot, since he wasn't bolding me on final day.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

You're convinced it's Supa

This isn't true. I was convinced it was shotglass. Now I'm not sure. I know it's either you or supa, that's all I can be sure of at this stage. Supa is the more likely. Ultimately, the three of us need to poke each other to generate info to help hoopy (or bikes) make his decision tomorrow, should it be necessary.

the more and more i think about it the more i want to lynch hoopy.

god that would be such a great play to sacrifice a wolf day 1. i dunno if anyone would actually do that tho.

i have a lot of reading and thinking to do and today has been a very tilting day so this may take awhile

i'm still really pissed about shotglass though and will rant on that when this game is over

Don't mindfuck us bikes! How is hoopy not confirmed now we know wuf was a villager? Bigred had a much easier wagon to deflect onto to save his arse, why would he choose hoopy over wuf, putting a wolf at risk? Was he really that convinced at that point that he was going to die?

Okee dokee, here we go.

Ong, the reason I called your post garbage without reading over it is because I did what I've done with every one of your post in the game, skimmed over it. You keep hyperfocusing on one person and grasp at anything that could possibly seem wolfy and fabricate things to drive your point home. And not once has it netted a wolf. Everyone you've gone after has been confirmed as a villager and I will be confirmed as a villager as well.

I try to answer each point on ongs list first and then address any other concerns.

1) I rescinded wuf because I came to realize that he probably wasn't a wolf. I voted for fulksy because I don't agree with Ongs feelings on not lynching inactives. I think inactives make for a shitty game.

2) Point is kinda meh, I should learn not to post anything of non importance, villager or not, because it only causes suspicion and gets me into spots like this later. As for the Gator portion of point 2 it's just another reason I'm not a wolf, Gator would not tie himself that closely to another wolf, at least not without a reason and there doesn't seem to be one to me.

3)I'm kinda missing the point on of the JV post so I'll skip that. Awesome, sarcasm. Anyone who's played this game more than once with me knows that my lynches take off like wildfire and I was pretty sure that I'd be lynched that day.

4) Big surprise, a wolf jumped on a villagers bandwagon.

5) Had nothing to do with your read on Gator. I felt then, and still feel, that you and shotglass were coming up with levels that rarely exist and confuse the village.

6) Back to inactives, I'll always want to lynch inactives. Just because Ong feels differently than me about the subject does not make me a wolf.

7) I bolded philly for 2 reasons. I said I would wait to hear from lolzzz (the medium) and I followed his lead. I also explained somewhere why I thought philly could be a wolf.

That should answer everything in Ongs first post. I'm gonna go have a smoke and I'll get to the rest of it.

well last wolf is def not me. this has been confirmed. obv.

last wolf is almost def not supa. esp since gator started the supa lynch and i coulda easily voted for supa and if he was a wolf the wolves would lose cause we would go straight for gator after the wolves ate the medium tanes. it would be completely moronic for the wolves to put both the wolves at risk for a lynch at this point with a 0% chance to win if supa was a wolf and was actually lynched.

though i wish i had played poker with gator in the last few years other than a gauntlet 3ish years ago, would have better reads on how he thinks and i think digging in previous games is pretty lame. but i digress

that leaves ongbonga, ragnar and hoopy.

its been stated that its unlikely ragnar is not a wolf due to the likelyhood of him being slightly more active in order to dodge coinflips every night. he simply cannot bank on the 50/50 every night and hope to run good if he was a wolf. thats absolutely absurd. i should actually go check how many flips he dodged to get here actually.

as cool of a play i think it would be to have hoopy be a wolf because that would be such sick a play by the turncoat and wolves day 1. however after re-reading the rules it makes it absurdly unlikely that hes a wolf because the turncoat and wolves cannot communicate so very unlikely things would have to happen in a row for this to be true. 1) bigred would have to decide to sacrifice a wolf for complete credibility and 2) the wolves would have had to decide that the idea was such an undeniably awesome move that they went with it. unlikely.

and that leaves ongbonga, i wouldnt put it past you to try an elaborate play here but im not sure youd actually do it.

ive had an awesome thought in the middle of posting this but i dont wanna delete all this stuff i wrote so ima post this and post my thought i just had

lynch ragnar

ragnar posted very little on the first few days. a bad wolf strat for sure but it has consequences this time around. however if ragnar starts posting a bunch then it looks suspicious. if he was a villager he wouldnt care but since he's a wolf he can't start just posting a bunch as it draws lots of heat.

in this situation you have 2 choices. take a lot of heat, get looked up by the dead and the medium finds out your a wolf game over. or even worse take lots of heat get lynched.

however if u wait and run good with a flip or two you come out looking completely innocent because people would think theres no way a wolf would run this risk of getting mod killed. i also find it uber suspicious that he ran so good in flips so that kinda is the straw the kills the camel for me.

i have to emphasis its almost impossible for supa to be a wolf. and equally as close to impossible for hoopy to be a wolf.

so lynch ragnar and ongbonga in that order.

Originally Posted by supa

Everyone you've gone after has been confirmed as a villager and I will be confirmed as a villager as well.

Erm... gator was confirmed a villager? Other than him, I went after wuf and shotglass. Everyone else I pointed fingers at, well, that was just me attempting to be tactical. So I figure I found one wolf this game, I luckboxed carrots last game, and nailed Roid on my first game (and came very close to shooting gator). Yeah you're right in that I pick out a target and fire away, perhaps that's an aspect of my game that I need to look at after shotty showed up as a villager, but don't tell me I'm only targetting villagers, because it's not true.

Now, we're at the point where it's not about soulreads, it's about facts. Fact is, hoopy is like 99% a villager, bikes 100%, so it's you, me or ragnar. Ragnar was flirting with death, something I don't see him doing as a wolf unless his real life situation means he had no say in the matter, which is possible. That means, from my point of view, that you are most likely the wolf. It's not me trying to pretend I got your soul read, because even if you show up as wolf, I didn't have you read like I did gator. It just came down to the wire, there is too much evidence to suggest the others are villagers.

Just noticed bikes has posted, saying you're clear, so let me read that and see if I agree.

I hope you're right bikes, because if we lynch ragnar today and he's a villager, and the others come gunning for me tomorrow, you just screwed the village over. I am not a wolf.

It's 4.30am, I'm going to bed. Let's not lynch anybody yet please, there's no hurry and we're definitely getting somewhere. Bikes has actually given me cause for optimism.

Ongs second post.

1) Again, Gator wouldn't tie himself so closely to another wolf like that. It's too obvious and he's not stupid.

2) Totally true, Gator is always happy to lynch me. Even more so here because he's a wolf and I'm a villager.

The rest of this post is again Ong suggesting that a massive level has been sprung on the village, just as he's done with all the other villagers he's gone after. and again he's causing confusion in the village.

Anybody that's played with Gator knows that he wants to be alive as a wolf when the wolf team wins. Anybody that's played with me knows that I haven't proven myself capable of pulling off endgame as the last wolf and Gator sure as hell wouldn't trust me to finish the game. I'm the fucking guy who fake outed seer as a villager! It's an impossible level, it can't exist.

I'm super fucking tired right now so I'm not gonna get any deeper into Ongs posts.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Imo if its not supa, its ong. Ong makes a helluva case for why it is supa. And hoopy makes a good case for why its ong.

I said i would wait. But supa seems disinterested in defending himself. Wolfy to the max

LYNCH SUPA.

I said yesterday that I was working 10hr days and wouldn't be able to post until the evenings. One of the things that I did wrong the one time I was wolf was try to look villagery even tho I wasn't paying attn to what the actual villagers we're saying. This is one of the reasons I'll be bolding Ragnar if I survive until after work tomorrow.

The day doesn't end until friday so hopefully I don't get snap lynched after this, my defense posts usually have that effect. If I'm still alive I'll try to answer any other concerns tomorrow after 5pm PST.

Just read bikes post. Still gonna wait til tomorrow to bold I think he's on the right track. As for the coinflip issue, I'm pretty sure he was only in danger once and he said himself he had a family emergency which would have affected the game whether or not he was a villager.

Originally Posted by bikes

i have to emphasis its almost impossible for supa to be a wolf. and equally as close to impossible for hoopy to be a wolf.

so lynch ragnar and ongbonga in that order.

Actually, this is the best plan. Lynch Ragnar.

it only takes one clown to turn this place into a circus kids. I am not the wolf. Supa's argument and moves helps cement him into place as a wolf. He's letting someone else make the arguments for him, and moving in for the kill. One more mistake out of 2 votes, and he's only got one more day before it's all over but the crying.

Notice how my vote went untouched all day long, but the vote for me lasted all of 45 minutes before getting another man on the train. That's the wolf trying to help close a day out. The wolf couldn't jump on his own bandwagon to close a day out.

Hoopy, Ong, Supa is our man, and it's not even close.

I've been active because I've been capable. The flip helps prove I'm a villager.. You think the wolves would let one of their own get to that point? Don't you suppose I may have tried a bit harder to hop on my i-phone and post if I was a wolf during the 6 hour trip both ways for this goofy thing?

Neither ragnar nor supa have done a great deal to convince me they are a villager. I need to think more about what bikes has to say about supa, that's kinda critical. I won't be putting the boot into ragnar in any hurry.

Believe me, lynching ragnar then me is most definitely not our best plan. I cannot emphasise this enough...
IF I MUST DIE, THEN LYNCH ME TODAY, because if we get to tomorrow and I'm lynched, the wolves win, full stop. I can accept my fate today, but not tomorrow. If you guys do me today, then it's on hoopy or bikes, whoever the wolves leave, to do his homework and make the right call. But don't make advance plans to lynch me tomorrow, because that is a bad plan. I am not the wolf, it is either supa or ragnar.

Gonna make a cup of tea and try to piece together bikes' post.

Here's how day 5 votes panned out...

Shotty votes lolz
Lolz announces gator is a wolf
Lolz votes gator
Supa votes gator
Wuf votes gator
Gator votes lolz
Ongbonga votes gator
Ongbonga rescinds gator
Wuf rescinds gator, votes ragnar
Wuf rescinds ragnar, votes gator
Ongbonga votes gator
Gator fake outs as the medium
Wuf rescinds gator
Wuf votes TLR
Wuf rescinds TLR, votes lolz
Wuf rescinds lolz, votes TLR
Wuf rescinds TLR, votes gator
Ragnar votes lolz
Ongbonga rescinds gator, votes shotglass
TLR votes supa
Ongbonga rescinds shotglass, votes supa
Ongbonga rescinds supa
Gator votes supa
Ongbonga votes gator
Hoopy votes supa
Shotglass rescinds lolz, votes supa

Now it's 4-4, 6 to lynch

Bikes votes gator
Ragnar rescinds lolz, votes supa

Now it's 5-5

Then there's me being drunk, yadda yadda cyber etc, I sleep, have hangover, then eventually...

Hoopy rescinds supa, nails gator

Ok, so pretty much, if supa was the last wolf, then why the fuck is gator sitting on his vote for so long when so many people can finish him off over so much time.

I agree with bikes, I do not think that supa is the last wolf any more.

That leaves ragnar and ragnar only.

I'll put the boot in shortly, I just want to leave it for a short while in case I have a logic fail somewhere. Anyone got anything to say about this post?

Ok, I just noticed that gator voted for lolz, then voted for supa later without rescinding his vote for lolz. Rilla considers gator's vote for supa as acceptable (see rilla's vote count), but is it too far-fetched to think that gator thought the vote for supa wouldn't count, but it would look to the village like it did?

I dunno. I doubt that supa is the wolf, because rilla made his vote count post, and there was still plenty of time for the village to react. Gator would've been well aware that rilla considered it 5-5, so if supa was the last wolf, I would imagine that gator would've been forced to rescind. But then it becomes obvious.

Supa isn't 100% villager, but he's looking much better than ragnar at this moment.

Ragnar, anything to say?

it would be a unnecessary stupid risk for the wolves if gator were to vote supa if he was a wolf. there rewards are almost nonexistent and the risk is so huge.

Gator was afraid to move because moving looks wolfy if you get off a wolf wagon last minute.

Have you guys played as a wolf before?

Ok, let's do this. If ragnar isn't the wolf, then there's some serious levelling going on, and the wolf probably deserves to win.

lynch ragnar

Oooh I'm all excited now!

thread locked till rilla arrives

That tails finally catches up with him. Ragnar4, the final werewolf, makes a mighty fine mount over the fireplace.

The village of Netherlife:

Bikes
Hoopy
OngBonga
Supa

4 Villagers
17 Dead

bigred, the Turncoat, lynched on day 1
Willburforce, a villager, eaten on night 1
fulksy, a villager, lynched on day 2
BennyLaRue, a werewolf, shot on night 2
DanAronG, a villager, eaten on night 2
Warpe, a villager, lynched on day 3
Boog690, a villager, modkilled on day 3
jackvance, a villager, modkilled on day 3
gabe, the Vigilante, eaten on night 3
Philly and the phanatics, a villager, lynched on day 4
DropTheBanana, the angel, eaten on night 4
GatorJH, the werewolf, lynched on day 5
lolzzz_321, the Medium, eaten on night 5
TLR, a villager, lynched on day 6
wufwugy, a villager, eaten on night 6
Shotglass, a villager, modkilled on day 7
Ragnar4, a werewolf, lynched on day 7

Congratulations to the Villagers of Netherlife

Bikes
Boog690
DanAronG
DropTheBanana
Fulsky
Gabe
Hoopy
Jackvance
Lolzzz_321
OngBonga
Philly and the phanatics
Shotglass
Supa
TLR
Wufwugy
Warpe
WillburForce