*** Werewolves and Vampires II: Gameplay Thread ***

[JKDS]

Ok just did a read through. Im sold on a few guys

Gator:

I definitely agree with this, however if he is a baddie he should be pretty easy to spot later on so for now I will rescind jyms

Btw, for those of you who are perplexed by my mod comment. Jyms mentioned using his mod powers to ban vette after her lynch so I made a play on that post, but I do like the 5th level thinking on day one.

This could definitely be a turncoat throwing a hint.

These posts are consecutive. Gator is very likely to be the Vamp TC. No vote count analysis is available since Jyms/rong both got NK'd, but his votes on jyms look fake. In addition, it is very unlikely gator is the full vamp based on the chelle kill. Either TC or not at all.

NightGizmo: Theres a lot on him.

First, NG leaves Justin off his list of noobs to kill day1.

Stacks quotes NG's post and adds that Justin is also a noob. This was early in the thread but quoting quotes is hard. That was also stax's first post and i think was a hint to the wolf team.

After some heat on justin, NG adds that he might be a good kill along with joker.

After much more heat and a large wagon on justin, NG finally votes him

Boog mentions stacks being quiet, NG says the same later.

I start a wagon on JV(wolf) for not voting justin (wolf). Stacks steers the convo away from that line of thought, and towards those that did vote for justin instead. Thus protecting JV. Night gizmo later backs up this idea, and is possibly an attempt to preserve JV as well.

Note: the only people left alive who didnt vote for justin are TLR and Bigred, though im pretty sure the last wolf is NG and stacks was only protecting him and not these two.

Later on, NG says

I definitely agree with this, however if he is a baddie he should be pretty easy to spot later on so for now I will rescind jyms

Btw, for those of you who are perplexed by my mod comment. Jyms mentioned using his mod powers to ban vette after her lynch so I made a play on that post, but I do like the 5th level thinking on day one.

Honestly, I'm pretty confused this game.

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Stacks -- usually quiet, suddenly very active. His new-found activity is a good thing, if he's a villager, but he did manage to get the seer lynched, so obviously he's suspicious. But I think we have enough other people that we need to put pressure on first to get active before we start killing off the only people that are playing the game.

This is when stacks has votes and is getting heat, and is a clear attempt to steer away from him.

I think NG is the last wolf.

In terms of kill analysis, this fits the profile of a reg.

Crazy Vette: Not much, mostly fluff. When she did post in the early game, it was rule questions. Wolf kills dont fit profile of someone as...lets say confused...as her. So maybe vamp? Noob kills are clear on that side, but Rong went out of his way to answer her newb questions, both he and jyms voted her, and if shes the vamp then she killed chelle.

I saw sisterhood between the two of them, so no. Gut read is useless villager ala BID.

Boog: Lynch boog!!!

Rescind boog, im just kidding! Im null on boog. Heres why.

1) He had a big back and forth between stax and him. Theres some sketchy voting here, but ultimately they wall against each other. Wall wars are very hard to do as baddies imo, so i doubt he is the wolf.

2) Boog is reg, so chelle kill doesnt make a ton of sense. I didnt explain that yet i guess, but chelle had a lot of heat and so would likely have been a target today. Her death means someone wasnt looking at that, and that doesnt sit with boog. Hes inactive, but hes still here.

Ong has that "would have fake outted" argument as well...which holds some weight. Its not confirmation, but it leads him towards the townie side. Could he be the turncoat? Idk, i dont really see anything regarding him and Jyms/Rong or either with anyone else. So i have no idea. maybe? Gator fits that spot better. There is simply nothing to suggest he is the TC from what i read.

TLR: Null. He made a post during shotty's lynch that made me feel like he figured out she was a special role or something, but there was no reason to say that in thread. He had some reluctance in lynching stax, then lynched him when stax got a wagon, but then backed off, but then was back on and pushing the wagon later. So idk on that aspect. If he had no clue about shotty's potential role then maybe hes a wolf. Hes a survivor that didnt vote justin as well. Idk, this isnt a good argument. I feel like these facts matter, but dont justify a lynch.

Thats mostly what i got.

TLDR:

Boog: null, dont lynch. TLR: Null dont lynch.
Gator, Gizmo lock baddies.
Crazy v: villager.

Unknowns: Bigred: some evidence he could be a wolf, not much though.
Kiwi: Rong buddies him at a point, but then votes him. Idk, interaction seemed weird.
Vinland: voted wolves and vamps. probably villager.

[NightGizmo]

NightGizmo: Theres a lot on him.

First, NG leaves Justin off his list of noobs to kill day1. I just skimmed through the signup thread looking for people that said they were new, justin never said it was his first time playing.

Stacks quotes NG's post and adds that Justin is also a noob. This was early in the thread but quoting quotes is hard. That was also stax's first post and i think was a hint to the wolf team. Interesting theory... Impossible to refute without knowing I'm a villager.

After some heat on justin, NG adds that he might be a good kill along with joker. After what heat? After wuf told us that there were no modkills, I was the one that suggested joker and justin as the two possibilities -- before anyone bolded justin.

After much more heat and a large wagon on justin, NG finally votes him. Counting from when Ong/boog flipped to justin, I was the 4th vote for him -- I don't think that having 3 votes out of a necessary 11 to lynch means that I was piling on an obvious bandwagon.

Boog mentions stacks being quiet, NG says the same later. I don't get it -- I'm following boog now? Or it's suspicious when anyone makes a comment about stacks?

I start a wagon on JV(wolf) for not voting justin (wolf). Stacks steers the convo away from that line of thought, and towards those that did vote for justin instead. Thus protecting JV. Night gizmo later backs up this idea, and is possibly an attempt to preserve JV as well.
My actual response:

The entire wagon happened in a few short hours, so I don't think it's too suspicious for those that didn't vote for justin. It's definitely worth noting, but it's not a smoking gun. I want a better reason for a Day 2 lynch then "you didn't vote for the wolf on the day 1 lynch."

I was originally thinking that the later votes for justin could hold a wolf or two, piling onto the wagon when it became obvious that he was going to get lynched. But Stacks has an interesting theory, too. Curious to see Ong's reaction

I agreed with one point in Stacks' post, that the voting order might yield some interesting info. But I disagreed with stacks that Ong was a good choice -- I felt the end of the wagon was more interesting


Note: the only people left alive who didnt vote for justin are TLR and Bigred, though im pretty sure the last wolf is NG and stacks was only protecting him and not these two.

Later on, NG says

This is when stacks has votes and is getting heat, and is a clear attempt to steer away from him. I like how you leave out the rest of my post, where I lay out my reasons for why other people are better lynches. Instead you make it look like I wrote a "defend stacks" post.

I think NG is the last wolf.

In terms of kill analysis, this fits the profile of a reg.

Per-point comments inline. I feel like JKDS is twisting my words, purposely using quotes out of context.