Call or Fold?

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10-23-2005, 02:06 AM
r8ed

Call or Fold?

This guy's VP$IP was 53%.

Table Table 66017 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Nomiss111 ( $38.75 )
Seat 2: chewy0469 ( $12.80 )
Seat 3: HyperionMark ( $45.90 )
Seat 4: Dreon ( $23.13 )
Seat 6: dar5smi ( $19.80 )
Seat 8: jandje ( $39.90 )
Seat 10: Darkfours ( $52.30 )
Seat 7: Radyntnrgy ( $23.50 )
Seat 9: godfreyc100 ( $24.50 )
Seat 5: Richdynasty ( $24.75 )
godfreyc100 posts small blind [$0.10].
Darkfours posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jandje [ Ks Qd ]
Nomiss111 folds.
chewy0469 folds.
HyperionMark folds.
Dreon calls [$0.25].
Richdynasty calls [$0.25].
dar5smi calls [$0.25].
Radyntnrgy folds.
>You have options at Table 66315 Table!.
jandje raises [$1.50].
godfreyc100 folds.
>You have options at Table 66315 Table!.
Darkfours folds.
>You have options at Table 65411 Table!.
Dreon folds.
Richdynasty folds.
>You have options at Table 66315 Table!.
dar5smi calls [$1.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Kc, Qc ]
dar5smi checks.
jandje bets [$2].
>You have options at Table 66315 Table!.
dar5smi calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
dar5smi checks.
jandje bets [$7].
dar5smi calls [$7].
>You have options at Table 66315 Table!.
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
dar5smi is all-In [$9.30]
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10-23-2005, 08:35 AM
Pingviini

Of course you call. You have top 2 and you are getting really good pot odds.

and for Rippy, PT really can improve ones play. Why do you have to say that being analytical about poker cant improve your game?

It makes all the difference in the world if you know that your opponents VPIP is 10% or 50%. If a guy with VPIP of 10% raises UTG and I have AQ I will surely fold. No matter what the possible other action would be. I would perhaps even fold AK.

"screw all that '% of what your opponent is lilely raising with'...LMAO what a waste of time and IMO counter productive to playing instinctive poker the way it should be played. "
-I surely hope that you dont what I think you mean.. Reads are one of the most important concepts of NLHE aside with position. Even if they are based on numerical facts like VPIP.

I personally havent used PT enough but you can really help even your game Ripptyde :) I know that poker is totally situational but you have to build the basis before aiming higher. I have been playing for quite a while with some success and now I am reading Theory of Poker and I am finding lots of useful information and thoughts in the book.

There are always ways to improve your game.
10-23-2005, 08:55 AM
Fnord

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Originally Posted by Ripptyde

You freaks are overanalyzing this shit WAAAAAY too much.

Alright, consider this. If I know my opponent has a really bad/predictable set of hands they will play or raise with, then being able to exploit that is huge. If a 10%VP$IP/2%PFR player raises from MP, it's pretty safe to figure something like AK/AQs/QQ or better. This kind of information can save you hundreds of dollars even at the $100NL level.

You bitch and moan about campers. When I started using these tools, I thought I had pretty good reads. See the thing is I had good reads on the ACTIVE players. The campers I had run into now and then came out like cockroaches exposed to light when I started running tools to help with reads. If you KNOW someone is camping AA-22 (JJ and under for sets) and maybe AK/AQs on 8 tables you can really fuck up his christmas by shutting off his action.

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Originally Posted by Ripptyde

Play your own position and your proportional stack and stop giving your opponent so much credit for what he might or might not be raising with. Grab your nuts and be the one THEY are second guessing.

There is some truth to this, but on the other hand don't be the sucker paying off the Aces, Kings and Sets Mr. 8 tabler is camping out for.
10-23-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ripptyde

file all that 'poker tracker' crap where it belongs when it comes to opponents %'s of raises with X and Y and Z hand...LOL my God people play poker and stop trying to make this some kind of zero risk science...sorry it doesnt work that way

PokerTracker has made a lot of people a lot of money.

You're still in debt, right?
10-24-2005, 10:03 AM
r8ed

I mentioned the VP$IP because that was my only read on him since I was playing 4 tables at once. If I don't put anything, everyone asks what my read was. What a high VP$IP could mean is that this guy could have ANY hand. Tighter players calling $1.50 preflop raises are easier to put on a hand. Looser players will call that bet with Ax or any two suited with one card > 10...or a real hand.

I called and lost to a straight that he hit with the river card. I had top two pair but with the straight draw on the board I and potential trips, I thought I should have folded. I was on semi-tilt after almost every showdown ended like this for the last couple days and wasn't sure if that made me call.