How can you not put this guy on a QQ/JJ?

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12-19-2005, 01:12 PM
dannyd267

How can you not put this guy on a QQ/JJ?

This guys wasn't in a lot of hands so I knew he had something good. When he checked the flop, I figured the A and/or K scared him. Then I hit my card and it went downhill from there. Was this played right?

DannyD

***** Hand History for Game 3225372047 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Sun Dec 18 22:40:48 EST 2005
Table Table 66487 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: fobog ( $39.50)
Seat 2: AxeMan1101 ( $27)
Seat 3: RoughBeast ( $23.55)
Seat 4: lazy2dogs ( $22.50)
Seat 5: poker110_00 ( $12.33)
Seat 6: SteveMather ( $23.55)
Seat 7: Badgers2481 ( $23.15)
Seat 8: dannyd267 ( $33.08)
Seat 9: pokar_pony ( $31.60)
Seat 10: XAAAX1 ( $13.01)
Badgers2481 posts small blind (0.10)
dannyd267 posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dannyd267 [ 4d, 4s ]
pokar_pony folds.
XAAAX1 folds.
fobog folds.
AxeMan1101 folds.
RoughBeast calls (0.25)
lazy2dogs raises (1) to 1
poker110_00 folds.
Badgers2481 folds.
dannyd267 calls (0.75)
RoughBeast folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kh, 6h, Ad ]
dannyd267 checks.
lazy2dogs checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
dannyd267 checks.
lazy2dogs bets (1.50)
dannyd267 raises (4) to 4
lazy2dogs raises (5.50) to 7
dannyd267 raises (28.08) to 32.08
dannyd267 is all-In.
lazy2dogs calls (14.50)
lazy2dogs is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ Jd ]
Creating Main Pot with $43.10 with lazy2dogs
Creating Side Pot 1 with $10.58 with dannyd267
** Summary **
Main Pot: $43.10 | Side Pot 1: $10.58 | Rake: $2.25
Board: [ Kh 6h Ad 4c Jd ]
fobog balance $39.50, didn't bet (folded)
AxeMan1101 balance $27, didn't bet (folded)
RoughBeast balance $23.30, lost $0.25 (folded)
lazy2dogs balance $43.10, bet $22.50, collected $43.10, net +$20.60 [ Ac As ] [ three of a kind, aces -- Ac,As,Ad,Kh,Jd ]
poker110_00 balance $12.33, didn't bet (folded)
SteveMather balance $23.55, sits out
Badgers2481 balance $23.05, lost $0.10 (folded)
dannyd267 balance $10.58, bet $33.08, collected $10.58, lost -$22.50 [ 4d 4s ] [ three of a kind, fours -- Ad,Kh,4d,4s,4c ]
pokar_pony balance $31.60, didn't bet (folded)
XAAAX1 balance $13.01, didn't bet (folded)

EDIT: OK I pasted a totally different hand in here that had nothing to do with the intro. Try this one and let me know if I played it right.
12-19-2005, 01:14 PM
Fnord

Ni han.
12-19-2005, 02:07 PM
johnny_fish

Quads are not always getting paid off.. This was at a bad beat table btw (losing with quads 8's or better triggers jackpot):

** Game ID 616974658 starting - 2005-12-19 00:35:54
** Bad Beat Table 4 [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- wiretapper sitting in seat 1 with $159.40 [Dealer]
- atsen sitting in seat 2 with $11.65
- OhGiggity sitting in seat 3 with $97.80
- Howlzat sitting in seat 4 with $64.62
- Hassy sitting in seat 5 with $240.61
- skinsfan76 sitting in seat 6 with $17.00
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 7 with $100.00
- NegreanuRox sitting in seat 8 with $32.95
- lill_bomber sitting in seat 9 with $64.50
- ean_88 sitting in seat 10 with $16.10

atsen posted the small blind - $0.50
OhGiggity posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Ace of Spades, Ace of Diamonds
Howlzat folded
Hassy folded
skinsfan76 called - $1.00
johnny291281 raised - $4.00
NegreanuRox folded
lill_bomber called - $4.00
ean_88 folded
wiretapper folded
atsen folded
OhGiggity called - $4.00
skinsfan76 called - $4.00

** Dealing the flop: Ace of Clubs, 6 of Spades, Ace of Hearts
OhGiggity checked
skinsfan76 checked
johnny291281 checked
lill_bomber checked

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Spades
OhGiggity checked
skinsfan76 checked
johnny291281 checked
lill_bomber checked

** Dealing the river: 4 of Spades
OhGiggity checked
skinsfan76 checked
johnny291281 bet - $10.00
lill_bomber folded
OhGiggity folded
skinsfan76 folded
johnny291281 wins $25.70 from the main pot
12-19-2005, 02:11 PM
Fnord

I think I just fire away and hope someone puts be on a weak c-bet because they don't think I'd play quads/trips so fast.
12-19-2005, 02:27 PM
johnny_fish

Was hoping for runner runner royal or quads;)

A boat would be nice too.
12-19-2005, 02:33 PM
Telepath

Well, he played it clever. It's kinda impossible to fold in your spot.

T.
12-19-2005, 02:37 PM
Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telepath

It's kinda impossible to fold in your spot.

But it isn't impossible to smell a rat and make it difficult for the other guy to get all the money into the center.

BTW: After this hand and a little venting you should have make a note about this flop check and slow play.
12-19-2005, 02:55 PM
Telepath

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telepath

It's kinda impossible to fold in your spot.

But it isn't impossible to smell a rat and make it difficult for the other guy to get all the money into the center.

Yes, the final over-the-top push was wrong. But consider the river. Opponent makes a pot sized bet, which puts him all in. Do you fold?

T.
12-19-2005, 04:55 PM
dalecooper

As this hand was played, I would usually flat call his re-raise on the turn, and check/call the river. The flop action is suspicious but he could have QQ/JJ. However, his turn play tells you otherwise. There's three hands he is likely to have here: AA, KK, and AK. It's a question of if you prefer to take AK to the cleaners, or not go broke to AA/KK. Might even be a simple math problem to figure out which approach is correct, but it seems to me more likely that he would check behind on the flop with AA/KK than with AK.
12-19-2005, 04:56 PM
dalecooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telepath

Yes, the final over-the-top push was wrong. But consider the river. Opponent makes a pot sized bet, which puts him all in. Do you fold?

T.

no.
12-19-2005, 05:19 PM
edudlive

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

I think I just fire away and hope someone puts be on a weak c-bet because they don't think I'd play quads/trips so fast.

I like this line, and then play it the total opposite later...