1010 Push or Fold

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09-20-2006, 10:47 PM
ripjohngotti

1010 Push or Fold

$5+$1 (real money), hand #1,029,438,494
Sonoma Single Table Tournament, 20 Sep 2006 08:45 PM
View Previous hand for this table.
Seat 1: EntropyNH ($2,135 in chips)
Seat 3: clad34 ($1,280 in chips)
Seat 4: 66hammer22 ($2,875 in chips)
Seat 6: RIPJohnGotti [10H,10C] ($2,800 in chips)
Seat 7: cccall ($4,850 in chips)
Seat 8: Renato-R21 ($1,060 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
66hammer22 posts blind ($50), RIPJohnGotti posts blind ($100).

PRE-FLOP
cccall folds, Renato-R21 folds, EntropyNH folds, clad34 bets $400, 66hammer22 folds,

WWYD?
09-20-2006, 11:01 PM
Erudito

WWYD?
I would give up poker because I can't make any no brainer decisions. :wall:
09-20-2006, 11:02 PM
ripjohngotti

Actually its not a no brain decision, so fuck off okay.
09-20-2006, 11:08 PM
ripjohngotti

$5+$1 (real money), hand #1,029,502,995
Sonoma Single Table Tournament, 20 Sep 2006 09:07 PM
View Previous | Next hand for this table.
Seat 1: EntropyNH ($2,285 in chips)
Seat 3: clad34 ($1,235 in chips)
Seat 4: 66hammer22 ($7,410 in chips)
Seat 6: RIPJohnGotti [JH,KH] ($2,040 in chips)
Seat 7: cccall ($2,030 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
cccall posts blind ($150), EntropyNH posts blind ($300).

PRE-FLOP
clad34 folds, 66hammer22 folds, RIPJohnGotti calls $300, cccall calls $150, EntropyNH checks.

FLOP [board cards AH,7C,QH ]
cccall checks, EntropyNH bets $800, RIPJohnGotti

Push or fold? 800/900 pot. About 1/2 your stack, its either push or fold. I opted to fold, the flush hit it happens.

I think one play in a sng Sngs, you may do an out of box decision. Chase a flush draw, bet into 2 players, something that isn't completely sng to give you a little edge. Yesterday I went up 50 dollars just doing 5 sngs playing wildbox182 style.
09-20-2006, 11:09 PM
ripjohngotti

$5+$1 (real money), hand #1,029,508,695
Sonoma Single Table Tournament, 20 Sep 2006 09:08 PM
View Previous | Next hand for this table.
Seat 1: EntropyNH ($3,535 in chips)
Seat 3: clad34 ($1,685 in chips)
Seat 4: 66hammer22 ($7,410 in chips)
Seat 6: RIPJohnGotti [AC,9H] ($1,440 in chips)
Seat 7: cccall ($930 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
RIPJohnGotti posts blind ($150), cccall posts blind ($300).

PRE-FLOP
EntropyNH folds, clad34 bets $1,685 and is all-in, 66hammer22 folds, RIPJohnGotti folds

Heres a tough decision either Im probably 50/50 against a pair or ahead against KQ KJ. I opted to fold though.
09-20-2006, 11:12 PM
ripjohngotti

$5+$1 (real money), hand #1,029,509,727
Sonoma Single Table Tournament, 20 Sep 2006 09:08 PM
View Previous | Next hand for this table.
Seat 1: EntropyNH ($3,535 in chips)
Seat 3: clad34 ($2,135 in chips)
Seat 4: 66hammer22 ($7,410 in chips)
Seat 6: RIPJohnGotti [10D,KD] ($1,290 in chips)
Seat 7: cccall ($630 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
cccall posts blind ($150), EntropyNH posts blind ($300).

PRE-FLOP
clad34 folds, 66hammer22 folds, RIPJohnGotti

Anyways here where I busted out my stack was 4<bb. This Sng was really odd, on the flush draw I usually never chase as I cant seem to hit them but that time it did come. Kinda shitty situation. Facing a 1/3 of your stack post flop on a flush draw, but I could've opted to push flop but folded when it hit. No idea what BB had
09-20-2006, 11:23 PM
givememyleg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripjohngotti

Actually its not a no brain decision, so fuck off okay.

With 28 bbs I call here.
09-20-2006, 11:25 PM
givememyleg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripjohngotti

FLOP [board cards AH,7C,QH ]
cccall checks, EntropyNH bets $800, RIPJohnGotti

I'm pushing here.
09-20-2006, 11:26 PM
givememyleg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripjohngotti

$5+$1 (real money), hand #1,029,509,727
Sonoma Single Table Tournament, 20 Sep 2006 09:08 PM
View Previous | Next hand for this table.
Seat 1: EntropyNH ($3,535 in chips)
Seat 3: clad34 ($2,135 in chips)
Seat 4: 66hammer22 ($7,410 in chips)
Seat 6: RIPJohnGotti [10D,KD] ($1,290 in chips)
Seat 7: cccall ($630 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
cccall posts blind ($150), EntropyNH posts blind ($300).

PRE-FLOP
clad34 folds, 66hammer22 folds, RIPJohnGotti

Push.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripjohngotti

Anyways here where I busted out my stack was 4<bb. This Sng was really odd, on the flush draw I usually never chase as I cant seem to hit them but that time it did come. Kinda shitty situation. Facing a 1/3 of your stack post flop on a flush draw, but I could've opted to push flop but folded when it hit. No idea what BB had

Please don't think like this.
09-20-2006, 11:26 PM
ripjohngotti

Now that I think about it, I have 9 outs to the flush, 3 to the straight, and if he has just the queen I have overs. Ive got about at least 12 solid outs. Given my stack size 1700 to win a 1700 dollar pot, im getting 2 to 1 on my money, he may even fold this.

With the gutshot I should have gambled.

Good point :)

The reason why I tend to think that sets only come 4% of the time or my flushes burn up more chips when chasing them because I never see the River it seems, is because it convinces me a way to play even tighter poker and tighter poker means you cant loose chips. :lol:
09-20-2006, 11:30 PM
Ravageur

Hand 1 with the tens I'm AI there everytime given stack sizes etc..
Hand 2 You have an inside Royal Flush draw. You have at least 13 outs. I'm AI there every time.
Hand 3 A9 off..Marginal...folding isn't so bad here. Calling isn't horrible either.
Hand 4 Pushing here is the best play no doubt.

You need to stop treating every sit n go like it's some random unique adventure and begin looking at each sit n go as a path towards profitability and making the right play long term. Just because you didn't chase your flush draw this time and it DID come doesn't make your play good or bad.
09-20-2006, 11:31 PM
Ravageur

Oops Givememyleg just said everything I did but before me :(

Boooo
09-20-2006, 11:34 PM
ripjohngotti

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravageur

Hand 1 with the tens I'm AI there everytime given stack sizes etc..
Hand 2 You have an inside Royal Flush draw. You have at least 13 outs. I'm AI there every time.
Hand 3 A9 off..Marginal...folding isn't so bad here. Calling isn't horrible either.
Hand 4 Pushing here is the best play no doubt.

You need to stop treating every sit n go like it's some random unique adventure and begin looking at each sit n go as a path towards profitability and making the right play long term. Just because you didn't chase your flush draw this time and it DID come doesn't make your play good or bad.

Oh I know its more about making the right decision then being results orientented, play tight early on minimizing bluffing, playing low pps , suited connectors to limp then as blinds pick up start making moves.

But im not a fan of flush draws, but in this situation it was a clear push as I was getting over 2 to 1 it, didnt see it that way and I believe its 9 outs + 3 queens (you cant count the one 10 twice) so a total of 12 outs making me a 43% favorite to win the hand.

From now on when I pick up a gutshot flush draw or a flsuh draw and a middle pair Ill evaulte my outs more.

And even though when in the preflop better and an A or K hits, even though I love to rep them Ill try to make the best bet possible give my stack size or even check OOP.
09-20-2006, 11:35 PM
swiggidy

^^^:roll:

You need to listen to X and not post a HH, then immediatley post several more whithout adressing the question.
09-21-2006, 12:41 AM
fasin8ing

Re: 1010 Push or Fold

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripjohngotti

$5+$1 (real money), hand #1,029,438,494
Sonoma Single Table Tournament, 20 Sep 2006 08:45 PM
View Previous hand for this table.
Seat 1: EntropyNH ($2,135 in chips)
Seat 3: clad34 ($1,280 in chips)
Seat 4: 66hammer22 ($2,875 in chips)
Seat 6: RIPJohnGotti [10H,10C] ($2,800 in chips)
Seat 7: cccall ($4,850 in chips)
Seat 8: Renato-R21 ($1,060 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
66hammer22 posts blind ($50), RIPJohnGotti posts blind ($100).

PRE-FLOP
cccall folds, Renato-R21 folds, EntropyNH folds, clad34 bets $400, 66hammer22 folds,

WWYD?

I reraise all in . Shorty has like 800 behind and hes just trying to see a flop for cheap.