Best turn play?

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06-25-2007, 04:05 PM
Galapogos

Best turn play?

What does this bet on the turn mean? And what's the best bet? He's standard Ongame fool. Not a spewstation but just plain shitty.

Texas Hold'em $1-$1 NL (Real Money), #507,331,538
Table Rockport, 25 Jun 2007 3:51 PM ET

Seat 3: CRAZY_MOVE ($119.20 in chips)
Seat 6: MC Sikaniska ($152.30 in chips)
Seat 8: teemu__ ($107.45 in chips)
Seat 10: Galapogos [ J:s:,A:c: ] ($131.60 in chips)

Antes/Blinds
CRAZY_MOVE posts blind ($0.50), MC Sikaniska posts blind ($1).

Pre-Flop
teemu__ calls $1, Galapogos bets $5, CRAZY_MOVE folds, MC Sikaniska folds, teemu__ calls $4.

Flop [board cards 5:c:,J:c:,A:d: ]
teemu__ checks, Galapogos bets $9, teemu__ calls $9.

Turn [board cards 5:c:,J:c:,A:d:,7:s: ]
teemu__ bets $17, Galapogos...
06-25-2007, 04:11 PM
jackvance

I think it's a blocker bet with like a weaker ace or a (flush) draw..
06-25-2007, 04:33 PM
minSim

Villains limp call preflop is about alwas SC or small PP.
Therefor I just call the turn and call the river, or bet/fold river if checked to me.
06-25-2007, 05:32 PM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by minSim

Villains limp call preflop is about alwas SC or small PP.
Therefor I just call the turn and call the river, or bet/fold river if checked to me.

If he had a set and for some reason chose not to donk bet or c/r me on the flop, don't you think it would be more likely that he would c/r me on the turn rather than lead out?
06-26-2007, 01:39 AM
benny999

most likely he's trying to control the size of the pot with A-x, or a flush draw that could've picked up outs like 86cc or 7cXc.

for sure raise for value/protection.
06-26-2007, 04:25 AM
minSim

I don't think raising is that obvious because it gives villain an easy choice while OOP. He instamucks any weak hand while when we call he has a hard time on the river.

On the other hand there's certainly merit in raising because of a draw or weaker 2pair.
(I just like raising this flop being villain with a draw because hero pretty much has to muck without an ace.)

In the end I think a raise is better as said for value and charging draws.
06-26-2007, 10:01 AM
Genitruc

i think that lead means either it's time to pull out a Smirnoff Ice and get coolered or else scare away his flush draw by raising (I've been seeing the turn lead OOP w draws more and more... not sure why).
06-26-2007, 11:27 AM
griffey24

I think A7 or A5 are definitely in his range here. Raaaaise this turn!
06-26-2007, 12:14 PM
overflow

Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

I think A7 or A5 are definitely in his range here. Raaaaise this turn!
06-26-2007, 01:08 PM
Galapogos

There's no question I'm definately raising this turn. If he stumbled upon a set of 7s (what's with people floating OOP with a bad PP lately anyway?) good for him. I really don't think that's a set of 5s (as well as A5) just by the way it's played. So I pretty much locked his range on A7, 77, or a draw, I was getting an 86cc vibe. I know there's plenty of other hands but I figured these heavily to be his primary range.

FWIW I pushed, thoughts?
06-26-2007, 01:29 PM
minSim

If you put his range on A7, 77 or a draw, then why are you pushing?
06-26-2007, 01:35 PM
Galapogos

Because I want his money.
06-27-2007, 03:01 AM
minSim

Pushing isn't the way then
06-27-2007, 09:50 PM
Silly String

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackvance

I think it's a blocker bet with like a weaker ace or a (flush) draw..

I agree, that is why I raise to about $65 here and get the rest in on a safe river.
06-28-2007, 07:08 AM
Galapogos

Quote:

Originally Posted by minSim

Pushing isn't the way then

Please explain.