TPTK against donk + shorty

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01-20-2008, 03:38 AM
freechus9

TPTK against donk + shorty

So, post flop the shorty's flat call didn't scare me much, but the donk's push made me think a little. At these stakes I've seen open pushes with flush draws and the like, so I think it might be a +EV call, though its really close.

CO is 36/10/.6
Button is 85/0/1.3

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($32.30)
MP2 ($18.65)
MP3 ($34.70)
CO ($13.65)
Button ($24.40)
SB ($9.75)
Hero ($34.25)
UTG ($21.40)
UTG+1 ($18.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.5, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, MP2 folds, CO calls $1.50, Button calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.60) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, Button raises to $22.4 (All-In), Hero...
01-20-2008, 06:17 AM
badgers

Shove because donk could have A3o and you likely have the CO beaten too.
01-20-2008, 06:33 AM
freechus9

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Shove because donk could have A3o and you likely have the CO beaten too.

But he could also have a real hand. Basically, how often is this a hand that I beat?
01-23-2008, 10:42 AM
freechus9

buuuuuuuuuump
01-23-2008, 01:12 PM
pokerfan

his stat looked like fishy, so i call his shove at these low stakes. Probably i'm leaning towards a fold in 100NL or higher.
01-23-2008, 02:11 PM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfan

his stat looked like fishy, so i call his shove at these low stakes. Probably i'm leaning towards a fold in 100NL or higher.

The stats surely mean way morethan the stakes here. I guess if he's been that passive post-flop for a large sample I could see folding, but I never seem to get a large sample on these guys as they quickly blow their stack and run. So almost all of the time I would call here and expect to see TP > half the time (we need way less than half for shoving to be profitable)
01-23-2008, 03:29 PM
BankItDrew

I don't think button feel he has FE against either of the two villains against him. I don't think Button is shoving with anything less than AK here, just don't see the point.
01-23-2008, 09:28 PM
badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I don't think button feel he has FE against either of the two villains against him. I don't think Button is shoving with anything less than AK here, just don't see the point.

The button has a vpip of 85, you think he understands basic concepts like FE?
01-23-2008, 09:45 PM
vegascoop

I don't think I would get away from this one given the stats.
01-23-2008, 09:54 PM
BankItDrew

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I don't think button feel he has FE against either of the two villains against him. I don't think Button is shoving with anything less than AK here, just don't see the point.

The button has a vpip of 85, you think he understands basic concepts like FE?

vpip does not determine skill
01-25-2008, 04:25 PM
Fnord

I'd pay this off. But then again, I'm a pay-off bitch.
01-26-2008, 03:36 AM
nutsinho

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

Quote:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I don't think button feel he has FE against either of the two villains against him. I don't think Button is shoving with anything less than AK here, just don't see the point.

The button has a vpip of 85, you think he understands basic concepts like FE?

no, but they understand not to shove without a good hand when a preflop reraiser bets and another player calls. or at least they just dont shove without a good hand because they are toolbox calling stations.