100NL: middle pair against aggro station

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($113.35)
BTN ($231.15)
SB ($106.45)
BB ($38.40)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is CO :td: :ts:
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: :kc: :9h: :8h: ($8.50, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $16, [color=#cc0000]
Hero ???

villain was running like 30/5/4.
I C-bet here as I believe this guy could call with a 9 or 8 or FD/OESD
He could well have the K, but we are getting 1.8-1 if we push (as I don't think villain would fold to an all-in), call or fold?

yeah just let it go, consider checking back flop to induce

Shove.

I shoved and villain called with KTo.
I played this badly, and I agree with Deanglow, if I was going to shove (for value), I should have checked the flop to induce.

given his stack i shove

I agree with his stack size = shove. I also don't think that you should check behind "to induce", Jimmy. If you want to get it in for value, I'd just do it now while he has a large calling range and there are some bad turn cards in which you can be getting your money in with almost no equity.

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

I shoved and villain called with KTo.
I played this badly, and I agree with Deanglow, if I was going to shove (for value), I should have checked the flop to induce.

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WTF????

Hand is fine, he caught good and the money was too short to fold without a better read that he won't non-shove-raise without top pair or better.

Checking is stupid. You could sell me on bet/fold.

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Originally Posted by Fnord

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

I shoved and villain called with KTo.
I played this badly, and I agree with Deanglow, if I was going to shove (for value), I should have checked the flop to induce.

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WTF????

Hand is fine, he caught good and the money was too short to fold without a better read that he won't non-shove-raise without top pair or better.

Checking is stupid. You could sell me on bet/fold.

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Why is it stupid? Villain would not fold a draw here if we bet. Why don't we let him spew?

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Originally Posted by jimmy44

Why is it stupid? Villain would not fold a draw here if we bet. Why don't we let him spew?

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Originally Posted by kmind

If you want to get it in for value, I'd just do it now while he has a large calling range and there are some bad turn cards in which you can be getting your money in with almost no equity.

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given his stack size i only want to c-bet if im confident about getting it in on the flop to a c/r.

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Originally Posted by will641

given his stack size i only want to c-bet if im confident about getting it in on the flop to a c/r.

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agreed, although i hate agreeing with will