50NL TT 3b pot

Villain is 16/14 steal of 30%, fold to 3b of 20%

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($67.70)
BB ($52.60)
UTG ($50.20)
MP ($157.20)
CO ($78.25)
Button ($52.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif
2 folds, CO bets $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.75, 1 fold, CO calls $5

Flop: ($14) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8.75, CO calls $8.75

Turn: ($31.50) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($31.50) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $16, CO calls $16

Total pot: $63.50 | Rake: $3

I cbet the flop because I didn't expect him to fold much. I decided to only go for two streets of value because I think the range that gives me value if I check turn and bet river but fold to a turn bet is much larger than the range that will call turn and call or fold river. The bet sizing on the river is because I want him to think he has fold equity on a shove and because I think he has more hands like JJ in his range than hands that will call any bet size like AQ. Is that sound? Should I just bet/bet/shove? Oh and I was c/r turn if he bet because his range for betting turn is probably hands he wants to get it in with and air he was floating with.

I would go $7/$14/shove personally
if you play your sets this way, how do you expect to barrel people off their hands when you're bluffing?

I've felt recently that thinking about what I should do against good players has hurt my game against weaker players.

EDIT: didn't mean thinking about what I should do against good players is bad, I meant applying it against weaker players is a leak.

I would have bet/bet/shoved but wtf at balancing at 50NL.

i typically flat here PF, idk if that's standard or not

Even when he folds to a 3bet only 20% of the time?

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Originally Posted by kmind

I would have bet/bet/shoved but wtf at balancing at 50NL.

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I didn't say that was my reasoning for it, I meant it as an aside to think about

I just think that putting AQ/KQ to a tough decision on all three streets is more EV+ than making it easy on 2

today at 100NL I got herocalled all day by all kinds of middle pairs by other regs, so I think regulars do take note of the fact that I make them fold a lot of hands by constantly barreling
this guy's stats are like standard nitreg stats for NL50 other than his high 3b call

Ok.

In my games people never fold AQ/KQ anyway on this board. If the turn was a scarier card I surely would have bet both for protection and to balance my range.

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Originally Posted by Parasurama

In my games people never fold AQ/KQ anyway on this board. If the turn was a scarier card I surely would have bet both for protection and to balance my range.

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all the more reason to go for all three streets?

yeah I just think his range was so wide that this line was better

I think he's pot controling more often than he's floating in a 3-bet pot at these stakes. So many of his hands are just happy not to confront an all-in.

Wow didn't expect this hh. Flatting pre is prob more std.

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Originally Posted by Da GOAT

Wow didn't expect this hh. Flatting pre is prob more std.

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why?

well his calling range appears to crush us when we 3bet so theres more value in flatting preflop vs this guy and 3betting a highly polarised range with high junk:premium ratio

He folds 20% of the time to 3bets, we are crushing his calling range.

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Originally Posted by kmind

He folds 20% of the time to 3bets, we are crushing his calling range.

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I'm guessing he called 4/5 3bs in however many hands you played with him?

you can't assume he calls 80% as his standard
he might be calling 50% and ran well on 3b calling cards this session

I mean it's not like you have 2989 hands on him and his 3b call is 79.6%
that said, since it's TT it's probably still fine

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Originally Posted by bigspenda73

i typically flat here PF, idk if that's standard or not

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Pretty standard. I pretty much close my eyes and call 2 barrels too.

It was under my impression he had a bunch of hands on him or else he would have stated it.

1/2 pot, 1/2 pot, shove river.

Why get so fancy with a set at 50NL? I personally think your line looks way more like a value line than a bluff line anyway.

Yeah maybe I was overthinking it. The sample size wasn't huge but it was that he called 8/10 3b's. I kind of wanted to know if it's correct to let our opponent do exactly what he wants to do (call 2 bets and show down in this case) when it's not actually +EV for him to do it.

Another relevant question: is the turn a good or a bad card to barrel if I were bluffing?

turn is not great to barrel
it's ok if you picked up a draw

30% steal percentage isn't crazy high and he is opening from the CO, which is usually the one of three spots people steal from the least. The call 3Bet% would be more accurate if we knew the sample size but even though he doesn't fold much to 3Bets, I think we're cutting it very thin by 3Betting TT here. I agree that flatting is better and puts you in less marginal spots post-flop.

Also, you flopped a set man! You want to get your chips in by showdown and checking the turn is NOT the way to do that. Half/Half/Shove is such a standard line in this situation. If he folds on the turn or river, fine. But with such a strong hand, you want to get proper value.

FWIW, some players will know when you're bluffing in 3Bet pots if you go bet-check-bet with your strong hands.

this is def. a standard 3bet here, idk what spenda/goat are talking about. I also go for 3 streets of value and agree the line you took looks stronger.