2NL NFD Line Check

Winning Poker Network - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $4.12
Hero (BTN): $4.09
SB: $1.76
BB: $2.00
UTG: $4.70
UTG+1: $2.16
MP: $2.00
MP+1: $1.04
MP+2: $2.14

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K:club: A:club:

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, MP+2 calls $0.14, fold

Flop: ($0.49, 2 players) 7:heart: 4:club: 3:club:
MP+2 bets $0.31, Hero calls $0.31

Turn: ($1.11, 2 players) J:heart:
MP+2 bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

River: ($2.51, 2 players) 7:diamond:
MP+2 bets $0.93 and is all-in, fold

MP+2 wins $2.39

How does the turn look here? Was it a fold when he bets .70 into 1.11? I thought I had the implied odds to call turn and then the river fold is obviously standard.

edit: Looking at this again, let's say I actually hit the nut flush draw on the same card that paired the board on the river. How would I handle it then? Would I read his line as screaming full house? Just thought we'd kill two birds with one stone here and cover that scenario since it easily could have come up and often does on NFD's.

Raise flop/ gett IT in If possible on flop

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

Raise flop/ gett IT in If possible on flop

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Hmmm...really? I see what you're saying but villain was extremely aggressive and was betting each street without even taking three seconds to think. He definitely would have called any raise or shove on the flop. That said, I know flopping the NFD like that is often a spot to GII for value but I'm a little surprised that you recognize this hand as one of those spots.

Is it my fold equity + my real equity that makes shoving the most EV?

any stake/any villain this is flop AI

I see. So we're saying any time I flop the NFD, I'm looking to GII then and there? Second opinion on this maybe?

Thanks, guys...

edit: I was thinking about this hand from villain's perspective and I see how my jamming the flop would give him the hardest decision to make there. He obviously knew I was on the NFD and was just trying to price me out of the pot, so if I just jammed flop he has to call off his whole stack hoping that a club doesn't fall on the turn or river.

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

any stake/any villain this is flop AI

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Nope.

Need stats to decide how to play. Against an unknown at this level, calling flop once and folding turn to a significant bet probably isn't terrible.

Thought i was the nitty one.
How would You procese with QQ+? AKcc is as glod as AA/KK bere If not getter vs top of villains range

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

any stake/any villain this is flop AI

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This is why you still play 5nl

I would probably play this the same as hero, or raise flop and GII some of the time.

I can't imagine calling flop and folding the turn though.

turn and river are kind of irrelevant re:shove or call given 1/3 pot left behind. I call river btw.

Raising flop might be best to balance w/ your overpairs, you also get it in vs worse FDs. Also some scenarios he will call and fold turn, so prob just best overall imo.

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Originally Posted by EasyPoker

This is why you still play 5nl

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!?!?

Considering his spot and his raise. He was on a decent pair 88 - TT. You showed weakness he took a stab. (I just skimmed the hand history) But that is my quick guess as to what happened here.

I prefer to raise the flop in this spot personally, but call-call-call seems reasonable on this board with the description you gave of Villain (which should have went in the OP).

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Originally Posted by griffey24

I would probably play this the same as hero, or raise flop and GII some of the time.

I can't imagine calling flop and folding the turn though.

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grif, just curious you play this same @ lower micros like this too, and higher. i actually kind of like the line in that villain is more or less hanging himself, but our we still msking a mistake not raising otf .

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Originally Posted by griffey24

I would probably play this the same as hero, or raise flop and GII some of the time.

I can't imagine calling flop and folding the turn though.

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grif, just curious you play this same @ lower micros like this too, and higher. i actually kind of like the line in that villain is more or less hanging himself, but our we still msking a mistake not raising otf .

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Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

grif, just curious you play this same @ lower micros like this too, and higher. i actually kind of like the line in that villain is more or less hanging himself, but our we still msking a mistake not raising otf .

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I suppose it depends what you perceive his donking range to be, and how he's likely to react to heat.

If you think his donking range is weighted towards draws like FD's, overs+BD's and wheel draws then I would just call.

If it's pairs+gutters and other pair hands that won't fold to heat then again I would just call.

If its pairs+gutters and other pairs that will fold to heat, then we can decide if the most profitable line is to raise with the plan of blowing these hands off or call down.

I think we have a smallish edge on the flop here, so I'm probably looking to jam it there.

As played, I fold the turn.

actually your implied odds aren't so good I mean what hands do you squeeze and call twice with other than FDs? I say raise more pre, like .24-.26 and jam over his donk. hes going to have a lot of PPs and SC type hands. say his donking range here is 33-TT and SCs with a FD and pair OR gutter. we have like 40% vs that range OTF. OTT though our equity will drop significantly so its better to get it in early IMO.

forgot to add as played fold turn..or call turn call river. call turn and fold river seems superbad..:tsk:

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Originally Posted by Alexos

I call river btw.

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atleast someone else thinks he leads worse FDs..lol