Regardless of his role, he has pulled his shit togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Regardless of his role, he has pulled his shit togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Wasting the angel to delay the cursed villager becoming a wolf by one day is dumb. wtf is this shit?
Angel would do well to wait patiently until later in the game when he could be much more powerful.
mojo, I'm not pretending to be anyone. I'm deliberately playing a lower profile game because last game was intense. I said I was going to be more relaxed.
It's a lot easier to pull your shit together when you're a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Probably. My wackiest experience with him was when he was a villager though. He played exactly how monstr described him
My assumption is that my posting style was so obviously an exaggerated 180 of how I usually post that no clever villager would see it as truly wolfy. My assumption is that "they" would have to drop my assumed IQ by 60 points to think I would play a wolf role in any such manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
My assumption is that wolves would see this, but the read is deeper than level 0, so the wolves will push it.
So, clearly the less experienced V's or V's who don't know me, could read me as wolfy, but no clever V who knows me could ever mistake this level of spew as indicative of anything but massive VV cred.
As I've stated. I concocted this plan over the few days prior to the game. I did not consider the implications of a cursed role in this game when I made the plan.
Not the mafia champs thread on 2p2, just the FTR posts I made showing that I was reading through the champs game on 2p2. In there, I praised the light-hearted game style of Dripping Goofball, and even posted a quip between him and another player as to whether DG had a solo wincon, and he replied that his wincon was to have fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
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There's been a bit of synergy between me and Luco as far as analysis on angel and whether to prioritize a potential W over an actual W. I can see that you might say I'm sheeping him, and maybe I am... I'm not positive the seeds of these thoughts weren't planted before I slept... but I do agree with Luco, and he is on my "leaning V" list.
Where did i or anyone say that the angel should target you "if you survive the day" ? The example i gave was in the late stages of the game to illustrate that the angel would be forced to protect you as a result of your "sole win condition" post or the game could be over if you are recruited. Why do you misrepresent what is being said about you?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
part wolf or a vanilla villager by lynching you is much better than risking a special in the hopes of getting a wolf by lynching someone else.Quote:
FWIW, I've decided this speculation about the cursed is not productive, and I think the village would probably be well served to consider this a 4-W game. Reason: focusing on lynching the cursed is prioritizing a potential wolf over an actual wolf. Pretending that the village has more chance of finding the cursed than the wolves seems optimistic.
lol , the breadcrumb was you leaving a message for the wolves that has been caught, whats the seer gonna say " hi wolves just leaving a subtle clue as nothing to reveal yet".Angel doesn't have to say either. so why search for breadcrumbs , it doesn't make sense.Quote:
I searched for any hint of breadcrumbs in the first 2 pages and found none. That doesn't mean they aren't there, but I didn't see any of the more common crumbing. E.g. If a monkey can use razors, shave every day. (I AM CURSED.) Don't even pretend that's a claim from me, it's just an example of hidden messages, which have been used in this forum before.
Also wtf lol at MMM using VV cos when you look at it from a distance it looks like a W, he's done it a couple of times through the thread now
No one posts that word more often than you, wuf.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I'm shocked that a player of your caliber is taking the easy read on me. I'm shocked that you leave no room for yourself to say... maybe he's not BSing, but it's just too easy to assume he is.
Don't get me wrong... I played into the D1 lynch by design, so I'm not faulting anyone for voting me. I'm faulting you for why you're doing it.
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I'm about to flip VV, and the town has a 0% chance of ML a town special today.
I have created tons of convo that is not random level 0 D1 drivel.
I have likely exposed at least 1 wolf if not more.
Time will tell how the village handles my gambit, but as of now, I am wholly satisfied with the results.
Would def. do again.
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For that matter. Dhubs should open every game with his VV claim if he wants to. It's not incumbent on him to conform to the play style of the room, it's incumbent on the villagers to learn to read him well. Forcing him to change his style could well weaken his ability to V-gang, and that's bad for the game.
Might as well convince bigred to post walls of text.
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Originally Posted by Keith
How do I survive to mid/late game if I don't survive the day?
Who said I'm asking to survive the day?
The breadcrumb search was not to search for village specials. wtf are you doing?
VV = vanilla Villager...
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"Have you the brain worms?!"
I don't understand where your suspicion/desire to lynch me came from. Do you care to elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
An example of derp clearing:Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Player XXXX died last night
Player YYYY: "Why isn't player XXXX posting?"
A wolf would know that they killed player XXXX, and therefore is unlikely to ask such a question. It also makes you look stupid.
I still kind of think the MMM lynch looks scapegoatey and am starting to suspiciouseyes the people pressuring for it.
Okay on page four I think I can follow dhuber's reasoning for wanting to lynch MMM though.
You're right that mojo is scapegoaty. I sense there's an element of punishment for his final day self vote last game. Certainly there's not going to be buckets full of sympathy if he gets lynched. But I think when he's making posts that can easily be interpreted as the cursed villager hinting to the wolves, well he's digging his own grave really. I don't see anything better today. JKDS is someone I'm unimpressed with, but then again I don't have nearly enough confidence in my read on him for me to consider him a +ev d1 lynch. Same can be said for anyone.
Leaving mojo around after the things he's said is just asking for trouble later on in the game. It's bad if he's cursed, and it's even worse if he's not and we haven't found the cursed. We could find ourselves incorrectly assuming he's cursed at the worst possible time, thanks to things he said on d1 that he should've got lynched for. He's made life too difficult for himself and the rest of us.
I'm more than happy with this lynch. If it's a mislynch, well that's what normally happens d1 anyway, so it's not a disaster.
confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You said:Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Which isn't exactly what you're doing, but I concede.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ong -> :boohoo: <- MMM
once again.
Bold for truthiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Not only is it not a disaster, it's a guaranteed non-special lynch. So village is safe from losing a PR on D1 RVS.
Blue text to point a finger and laugh at you for saying that anything I've done can be called "hinting".
I can see the logic behind this argument and how it would look "scapegoatey." The problem is there are enough indicators to go forward with the lynch. I'm not really concerned about whether MMM flips V or W or Cursed given his posts. At times he will be Village, other times he will be Wolf-alignment but the percentage has to be stronger than random.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
If he's not going to be lynched Day #1, he's highly unlikely to be eaten until late game and only if Cursed Villager is still in the match. We'll be going through this scenario again on Day #2, and so on until he's lynched because there is enough concrete evidence in his posts to wagon him every day. It will become a distraction.
The way I see it MMM flipping Wolf clears no one. MMM flipping Village adds guilt to no one. His own contributions are too wolfy.
I'm glad to see Ong's Post #302. I was going to point out that he was worn out last game and could be going through the motions this game since he wasn't really wanting to play again until December. I don't think his comments at the end of Post #302 are role-indicative but I do think they are genuine.
Let the Wolves jump on MMM wagon if they haven't already in my opinion. Day #1 ends and regardless of how MMM flips the major distraction is out of the way. If not, we (or at least I) will be revisiting this each day until he's gone from the match.
Alright, shouting at the wolves. My initial thought when I read your first offending post was to assume you were cursed, and overdoing it, rather than vanilla trying to draw the kill, or reaction baiting people, or whatever you're dismissing it as. But the main point is that I don't want to be discussing this shit on d4. I'd prefer you to be long dead.
Dhubs only reason to review D1 is if I'm alive?
lolwat.
I just read Ong's Post #314. That sums up my thoughts exactly.
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I mean game review is a constant ongoing process for a villager. Your stipulation that what happens on D1 only matters if I'm alive is antithetical to looking at all of the clues and information in the game to solve the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
Are you BananaSing me with this?
:banana:
I am confident that there have been interactions based on my play that will reveal the wolf team in due time to discerning readers.
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
If you think I sound a lot different than the last game, the obvious reason is the correct one.
I've had a couple of decent villager games since that one, one of them was actually pretty good (I got a wolf to out himself and I shot him as vig). I'm actually starting to dread the next time I rand wolf because it is really way too much effort for me.
This feels like the game I needed to have on FTR, where I can play decent, not have to fend off daily attacks and wreck some wilves.
If there is any flaw in my plan it's that I didn't have the stamina to commit for the whole day. I'll do better next game, I promise.
:mischief:
You people think my meta was too strong...
:shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
I guess you can just post lolcats MMM.
but... I don't know how to find the lolcats. They are hidden from me.
bigred, help?
I mean my gut says MMM is just a villager with AIDS but I won't be surprised no matter what he flips. He has way more Cursed equity than anyone else at this point and it could be that the poor slimy sob had no idea what to do with the role.
Ong/Dhuber's arguments on this page why he needs to die, and die now if he can't clear himself, are correct.
If he's telling the truth about being vanilla, let's hope he's the Miller.
monstrman and daven are my top picks.
baudib and wuf both seem very unlikely to be wolves
cursed or miller would be good, vanillager isnt bad but tough guy would suck. the description doesnt say lynchproof role, only nom proof.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
If his vanilla claim is legit there's only a 10% chance he's TG though
Do not go gentle into that good nightQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Rage, rage, against the dying of the light
VOTE PATTERN:
Player <> Lynch Votee <> Post#
MMM <> *BAUDIB* <> 2
BAUDIB <> DAVEN <> 11
MMM <> *ONG* <> 14
WUF <> *DHUBER* <> 17
KEITH <> MMM <> 29
MMM <> *DHUBER* <> 39
MMM <> WUF <> 42
WUF <> MMM <> 43
DHUBER <> *MMM* <> 48
DAVEN <> *DHUBER* <> 54
KEYB <> *MMM* <> 60
GABE <> MONSTR <> 63
ONG <> *BIGRED* <> 100
KEYB <> DAVEN <> 177
DAVEN <> WUF <> 192
RONG <> MMM <> 194
DHUBER <> MMM <> 221
BIGRED <> AUBREY <> 225
AUBREY <> MMM <> 241
BID <> MMM <> 242
ONG <> MMM <> 280
LUCO <> DAVEN <> 284
*--* = Rescinded Vote
MMM has: 7 (Keith, Wuf, Rong, Dhuber, Aubrey, BID, Ong)
Daven has: 3 (Baud, Keyb, Luco)
Wuf has: 2 (MMM, Daven)
Monstr has: 1 (Gabe)
Aubry has: 1 (Bigred)
Non-Voters: JKDS, Monstr
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/27/27d3...d510f582a0.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
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@ Luco what?
Oh. Wow.
:h: Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan Thomas, 1914 - 1953
If gabe is clearing wuf, then I'll move my vote.
Wuf/daven/ong/gabe are on my previous sketchy list, but ong is OK for now and I'm gonna take gabe as V, so daven it is.
lynch daven
The flaw in your "plan" is that it's a dumb plan. Your assumptions were all wrong. You assumed villagers would view it a certain way and wolves would view it a different way. I assume that you would see how obviously incorrect those assumptions are and would abandon the plan, which is why I claim that your so-called gambit was never real in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
If you convinced us of your "plan" being reasonable, we would deserve to lose, regardless of your role
I keep this running vote tally in a notebook as a QR to lookup vote patterns and causation. It helps more later in the game but there's a couple eyebrow lifters in there already...
:::skeptical face:::::Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Monstr, do not let this be like that V+ game where you didn't even vote on 2 days as a villa. Do you think you get to come to my home turf and coast? I will laugh if you really did finally rand wolf. If you're a villager then YOU NEED TO GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER SON. WE ARE TEAM #VILLAGEALWAYSWINS AND WE WILL WRECK WILVES.
I once watched an old episode of twilight zone. This episode was about a regular guy who one day while at work noticed that instead of saying "lunch" people were saying "dinosaur". He found the whole thing quite odd but just assumed it was some new slang or phrase from a tv show that people had picked up. He mentioned it to his wife when he got home who responded "what are you talking about? What's lunch? And are you still having your parents over for dinosaur on Saturday?". As the episode continued, more and more words changed until he no longer could communicate with people. It ended with him reading babe first word books to learn the knew language.
I'm starting to feel like that guy.
I mean what the fuck is v- gang?
What the trumpet is fuck?Quote:
I mean what the fuck is v- gang?
And bananasing?
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Same goes for you Ong. Just because you and Keybored carried us last game doesn't mean you get to troll the entire game. Just like Wuf, giving yourself slank cover is awfully convenient if you're a wolf.
IF YOU'RE A VILLAGER I WILL WRESTLE THE OLD ONGBONGA OUT OF YOU UNTIL UNTIL YOUR MOM TELLS ME TO STOP.
Who's giving slank cover?Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Did I not say in the sign up thread that I'm not going to be as active as I'm expected? IIRC my last two games were like this, and my post count is still always above median.
I have a list of 3 players I want lynched. Count em: 3. How many can we lynch today? 1. It's not even "today" today, because we have like 24 hours left to finally get that lynch. I think it's a problem for the village if we get ahead of ourselves. I would bring no value if I added yet another player to my want-to-kill list. 3 is almost too much, but I've made statements about those three because I think they're meaningful reads. I don't have any other meaningful wolfpicks right now, so why would I push myself to develop them unnaturally? That has only caused problems in the past
As for Ong's style change (and yours), they'll need to be addressed later. Some reads take time to develop
V-gang - Village work. As in, I'm so hungry, I'm going to gang on these potatoes.
I'm saying if you push someone out of their comfort zone, it may mean that they are too busy thinking of what will be criticized instead of what they believe. This could prevent them from putting out their best effort.
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BananaSing = BS-ing = bullshitting = conning = you get it.
Of this, I'm sure...
Dhuber = V
Luco = V
Baud = V
I'd bandy with these guys.
Of this, I'm fairly sure...
Daven = W
Wuf = W
Gabe = W
I could go either way about...
Ong
Rong
Keith
Monstr
Aubry
I'm stumped about...
JKDS
MMM
BID
Bigred
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
this is the definition of slank cover.
Just to clarify my vote switch. I'm still pointing my suspicious finger at wuf, but I concede that while gabe is snuggling up to him, the odds of a meaningful wagon are very low.
I feel like I'm mindmelding with Keybored. That's probably not a good thing.
but yeah. If I had to kill one person right now it'd be Gabe.
V-gang - Village work. As in, I'm so hungry, I'm going to gang on these potatoes.
Ya fucking with me, right?
Besides, we're all ignoring that the most +ev thing we can do is lynch Keybored. Every game. He outplayed youse like he was born and bred to do it, and don't think he won't do it again. Grit is horribly underrated. If you have grit, you only lose via seer/vig or imba
I'm being mildly facetious since I think it would be stupid to lynch him for that reason. If we're going for strict ev, there's an argument there, but it's still a dispirited idea
Slank? Slutty skank according to urban dictionary.
There goes Wuf again, posting as if the game hasn't started yet.
Okay I see your point. I think it's an unreliable read. The overwhelming majority of the time, the "slank cover" person is not wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I'm losing interest fast. Vig!
I'm posting like d1 is done. Because it isQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Pray tell how you assume d1 isn't over? Under which circumstances will we not lynch MMM? Ong's 318 post hits the nail square on the head. MMM has to be a goner
I've been on record saying that I think 48 hours is more than enough time to figure out where your bold should be. And here we have 72 hours, so I'm just waiting for the death of the person I want lynched. Everybody always says more talkie is better, but I disagree. I watched all that more talkie from Key and Ong beat the hell out of the village last game. Beyond a certain point, more talkie doesn't help the village, it helps the talkers
Monstr get neg cred for not voting yet and low-ish content but I give a new player lots of running room.
Keith squatted on MMM early and gives us little else. But he voted like this last game as V and appeared to like the blinders on.
Wuf screams wolf at me for pounding on MMM so hard despite his refreshing JV remake.
Rong seems his usual crass self so I'm leaning V here.
Aubrey showing up late and putting in minimal effort sounds fishy and her IDGAF vote is disappointing, but I don't know her.
Ong preannounced his low-profile approach so I give him that but you can't use that excuse to clear both ways either.
JKDS isn't impressing me as much as last game but maybe he's a late game hitter.
Bigred's silliness feels sincere as V but that's such a good cover for a W.
BID hasn't given me enough to figure out yet.
MMM took a chance at some cockamamie scheme that seem to have backfired. Kudos but one must take responsibility for one's actions.
I might say, "I'm ganging on them potatoes." if, during a family dinner, I want someone to pass the potatoes. This would mean either I intend to take a large portion, or that I want a 2nd serving.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
It's a slang that has stayed with me from my high school days.
yeah I agree, in postgame I said it was clear that longer days didn't actually help the village, and I think you with your omniscient perspective saw it clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I don't get where you think I'm arguing against lynching MMM, I was making a comment on your commentator posting style where you basically refuse to comment on what people are actually saying (for the most part). What you're saying about MMM is almost exactly what I said about him earlier
Incidentally, gotta say that I'm against policy lynches in general, even though I start each game with one. I think you talking about policy lynching is somewhat in character, however, and totally out of character for villager Gabe.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Are you suggesting that I'm somehow NOT taking responsibility?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
My line is exactly me taking responsibility. I dropped the ball last game. I was gonna die D1 this game barring some madness, as punishment. I accept that. So how can I help my team, given these data?
YOU DECIDE!!
Don't end the day before aubrey posts tonight at soonest.
She has only checked in once, and no one should be held to high standards before they've had a chance to reflect.
(I am not defending aub, I'm supporting a policy of giving everyone a chance to be heard in their best form.)
Sorry, I meant you got no choice but to accept responsibility for a "nice try, kid" and hit the reset button for next game. Which I feel you're doing. And I have decided. Which is why I'm not still sitting on my earlier decision to lynch momo. You sound legit right now and I feel your death would give us very little useful data. Also, I'm unwilling to hold over a grudge from last game and vote irresponsibly. FWIW, I'm against a momo lynch today.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I'm good with a MMM lynch today for reasons already given by others but I wish some of the voters sounded more confident and appeared to want to do more independent analysis. Alas, if MMM has cut off his own head, oh well, I just hope his death gives us something to work with. I also think it's possible that MMM's wagon could shift to Daven's; 7 votes to 4 can easily shift tides. Also, we've got 2 who haven't voted yet for whatever reason. In response to Wuf's 48 hrs (done son, next!), I think we can afford to give Aubrey & Monstr more time to digest all this and speak up.
** awe crap...post 359 above shoulda ended with "I'm good with a MoMo lynch today" before the segue to 360.
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Originally Posted by Keybored
Why you play with my feelings like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Oh nevermind, then.
So you're saying this post should read like this:
WTF is this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
I've never seen more fence-sitting.
Rong, in my first non-FTR game, I was a wolf with someone from a third site. He refused to say the words "villager" "wolf" "seer," instead using "scum" "mafia" "town" "cop." This drove me nuts, and the different slang from the regs also tilted me, and the whole game philosophy/culture is entirely different. Plus I got a double dose of that guy (in wolf chat).
Monstr invited me to a game that he modded on a Mafia site, and I had to sub out because I can't play in a game where everyone says "Mafia" or "scum." It tweeks me slightly when Ong says "townie" but "mafia/scum" drives me nuts.
Obviously I've picked up some of the lingo over at POG, so sorry for that. Slanker is a term everyone uses for "slacker." At least I can say "wolf" instead of "woofs."
Vote Count 1.3
MMM - 7 (keith, wuf, rong, dhuber, aubrey, BID, Ong)
daven - 4 (baudib, keybored, Luco, MMM)
wuf - 1 (daven)
monstrman - 1 (gabe)
aubrey - 1 (bigred)
No vote - (JKDS, monstrman)
9 votes to lynch!
24hrs until the end of day 1.
I'm not trying to sit atop the fence. I don't think you're a wolf. I'm just doing a terrible job of saying that I think you're a sure gonner due to last game's ending and this game's beginning. But both are 1-off events that shouldn't be tied together; instead, you're entire performance should be evaluated in each game separately. Someone said earlier that your play has been distracting to the village this game and I agree with that but it's not a reason to hang you IMO. I disagree with your lynch today but I'm not gonna blame others for that choice. Although, I will take note of folks being lazy by jumping on an easy d1 wagon. As for your death, we'll be able to look for wolves hopping on the wagon but that's about all I think we'd get from you hanging today. Clear as mud yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Key called aub a boy. haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Dhuber & BID ... Listen to your gut and hop off the MMM wagon if there's a doubt about your vote. What's left will certainly leave at least 2, maybe 3 wolves sitting on MMM. There's no way the 4 sitting on Daven right now are wolves. Your 2 adds would make a solid 6-pack!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Touche, mon ami.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I iso'd JKDS just now, and I can't see why I had him as a V-lean. There's precious few posts. The only vibe I get from him is that he's asking questions and not putting much out there... like a good attorney. Build a case before you make a case.
I'm waiting on JKDS making a case before I put any read on him.
Sorry I'm in the champs game and am honestly just forgetting about this one like for realsQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
lynch daven
I like possibly both Gabe and Monstr as wolves. I was looking it over, and it's kinda weak, but it could be a thing