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  1. #1

    Default How would you play this?

    BB just sat down 15 hands ago. Seemed a little loose and chasey, pretty novice.

    I think my play was solid
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    SB ($8.40)
    BB ($47)
    UTG ($24.15)
    UTG+1 ($80.03)
    Hero ($79)
    MP2 ($46.75)
    MP3 ($47.25)
    CO ($11)
    Button ($23.75)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, A. SB posts a blind of $0.25. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 5 folds, BB calls $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.50.

    Flop: ($6.75) 7, 9, 6 (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4.5, BB raises to $9, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $4.50.

    I think I had to call this with my flush draw and two overcards... didn't think raising was a good idea, because he could fire back an AI and I would have to fold.

    Turn: ($24.75) J (2 players)
    BB bets $6, Hero calls $6.

    Should I have raised him here?

    River: ($36.75) 5 (2 players)
    BB bets $7, Hero calls $7.

    Okay, so no flush... probably should have folded, but I thought there was a chance that he had nothing and was on a busted flush draw. Results to follow.
  2. #2
    I re-raise all-in on the flop.
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    I agree with Fnord, reraise all in on flop, half the time they fold, other half its a coinflip.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriath
    I agree with Fnord, reraise all in on flop, half the time they fold, other half its a coinflip.
    He easily could have a big equity edge on the flop. Nut frush draw and two ova's
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    Im arr een on the flop.

    River is curious, do you think you're ahead here enough to call?

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    You don't necessarily have to punch all in on the flop. Raise it, probably, but you don't have to punch all in. If you flat call, that's allright too, because if you already had the nut flush, isn't that what you would do?

    You should definitely raise the turn.

    Calling the river was a mistake.
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    I'm all in on the flop too. You have the ace he would need for the nut flush assuming he even did hit his right off the flop. That might have been enough to get him to consider backing off this hand. You say he's novice so I'm sure his betting is talking right to you about what he has.

    So I think you're beat but probably could have scared him out early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galapogos
    So I think you're beat but probably could have scared him out early.
    Thing is, if villain has top pair he is statistically behind to AK with the nut flush draw (15 outs is more than 50% to hit by the river). Realistically, you can put villain on a range that includes TPTK, which means the ace might be a dirty out. Still, I think you are slightly better than 50% to win after the flop, and with the added folding equity a flop push is correct. Another reason for the push: it seems like villain is scared of the flush. If true, he won't pay you off after you hit (reducing the implied odds you're getting with the flop and turn calls), but might pay you off before your hand is made. This makes calling down less favorable, and pushing the flop more favorable. Last, if you play it passively like you did, fold and save yourself the river bet regardless of the pot odds because your hand isn't going to rake this pot even 1 in 6 times.
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    I didn't really consider myself to have 15 outs on the flop, as TPTK is a possibility with this player, or TP with the Kh, but I think a push would have worked with the fold equity. Against a solid player, would the push still be good? I'd put them on a set or 8h8x if they're tight, maybe two pair on the looser preflop calls. But then, wouldn't you want to bet much more than a min-raise facing a board like this when you're holding a set/two pair?

    Yeah, I don't know what I was hoping for on the river. Partly, I thought he might have a busted draw, and partly I wanted to see what he had.

    He ended up having 3h4c and made his gutshot straight draw... I added him to my buddy list as quick as I could.
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    15 outs is the same as an OE straight flush draw (assuming all your outs are clean) which in this case they were!
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  11. #11
    I'm guessing he was playing with A8s, and caught the straight to win. Or he was playing suited rags and caught 2 pair. You calling his raise on the flop had him worried you had the flush, but the fact that you didn't reraise on the turn let him know he was sitting good. Same with the river. He might have tripped up a low pocket pair, but I doubt it.

    So post the rest of the hand already so we can see if I'm a psychic or just full of shit
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  12. #12
    He had 3h4c and hit his gutshot str8 draw.
  13. #13
    Wow, thats a bad beat my friend. I'm sorry.
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