I hate hands like this. I Flop TPGK, 2 of a suit that I dont have also Flopped. I make a pot size bet, to not give the Flush draw, odds to call. Villian calls. Turn is a blank. I make another pot size bet. Villian calls. River completes the Flush draw. I raise Villian re-raises. Now he is telling me he made his Flush. This is where I have lost alot of $ in the past. I would think, I didnt give him the right price to draw to the Flush or anything. So he cant have a Flush. He probably has TPWK, or he is Bluffing the Flush. So I would call, sometimes raise. Sure enough he has the Flush, and alot of times it would be like T,6s. Its like they have no concept of Pot Odds, they play any 2 suited cards and call any bet if they Flop 4 to the Flush, as if they a sure they will hit their Flush. How am I supposed to put them on a Flush/Draw, when they played it totally wrong?

I have read other Posts here and I know that it should be good if your opponents will make bad calls like that. That in the long run you will make money off of them. Its just that it hasnt worked that way for me at all. Yea I have won a few pots when they missed their Flush draw, but I have lost a whole lot more from them making their Flush. For whatever reason that 3rd Flush card comes down alot more than it doesnt. Thats not just a tainted observation. Ive written down and kept track of it before, for a few weeks. It was almost 80% of the time when I had the best hand and 2 of a suit Flopped the 3rd hit on the Turn or River.

Sometimes I'll call their raises when 3 of a suite is on the board. Lately though I mostly just Fold. It feels so weak to Fold, I guess I am just spooked though. Because I have lost so much $ calling or raising, thinking they dont have a Flush because they didnt have the odds to draw to it. Then 9 times out of 10 they do and I lose.

For awhile I was losing so much $ making Pot size or bigger bets on the Flop and Turn when 2 of a suite Flopped. Trying to stop the Flush Draw. Then Folding or making a bad call when the 3rd card of the suite hits, and opponent raises with their Flush. I started just making small bets when 2 of a suit Flopped. That way when the 3rd of that suite hit and my opponent raised I wouldnt lose so much. Like I said when I kept track of it for a few weeks about 80% of the time the 3rd of the suite did hit.

I know thats really bad and I am just asking for them to draw out on me. But I was losing less $ in those situations. My thoughts were they arent going to Fold to a raise anyway it doesnt matter how big. And most of the time the 3rd of the suite will hit. So why waste the $? I know thats probably stupid, but I really wasnt losing as much $. I didnt want to be playing stupid. So I went back to making proper raises to not give the odds for the Draws. It went right back to the same way it was.

I am playing totally spooked of Flush draws. I know there has to be some observant players taking advantage of this weakness I have. But everytime I make the call thinking I didnt give them the odds to draw to the Flush they dont have it. Bam! There it is!

I need help. I am so frustrated over this and dont know what to do. I would like to know how do other people deal with hands and opponents like this?

Heres the most recent example. I know I should have probably raised more PF, but I was playing tight and folded alot of hands PF. I made a few PF raises only like 3-4BBs. When I had AKs 2x and then QQ. The whole table folded. Even though I was in late position with a few Limpers in front of me. They still folded not even paying the 2-3 more BBs to see the Flop. So thats why I limped this hand. To get someone to see a Flop with me.

Hows my play on this hand? What would you do different? Would you make the River call?

Game #1625195862 - (blinds $0.10/$0.25) No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/08/02-07:27:48.2 (CST)
Table "Benirras" (real money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: fatbeer ($20.60 in chips)
Seat 2: SlickStuff ($37.40 in chips)
Seat 3: noLimit75 ($26.45 in chips)
Seat 4: assissagy ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 5: awoimmm ($36.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Leppy152 ($55.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Tigon74 ($18.40 in chips)
Seat 8: dacquoi ($22.30 in chips)
Seat 9: 90g09 ($27.30 in chips)
Seat 10: Ugly Ed ($24.60 in chips)
Tigon74 : Post Small Blind ($0.10)
dacquoi : Post Big Blind ($0.25)
Dealing...
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Ac ]
Dealt to Ugly Ed [ Jh ]
90g09 : Fold
Ugly Ed : Call ($0.25)
fatbeer : Call ($0.25)
SlickStuff: Fold
noLimit75: Fold
assissagy: Fold
awoimmm : Call ($0.25)
Leppy152: Fold
Tigon74 : Call ($0.15)
dacquoi : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 8s Th As ]
Tigon74 : Check
dacquoi : Check
Ugly Ed : Bet ($1)
fatbeer : Call ($1)
awoimmm : Fold
Tigon74 : Fold
dacquoi : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ 8s Th As ] [ Qd ]
Ugly Ed : Bet ($3.20)
fatbeer : Call ($3.20)
*** RIVER *** : [ 8s Th As Qd ] [ Qs ]
Ugly Ed : Bet ($4)
fatbeer : Raise ($9.50)
Ugly Ed : Fold / Right thing to do?
fatbeer : Winner -- doesn't show cards
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $16.80 | Rake: $0.85
Board: [ 8s Th As Qd Qs ]
fatbeer bet $13.95, collected $22.30, net +$8.35
SlickStuff didn't bet (folded)
noLimit75 didn't bet (folded)
assissagy didn't bet (folded)
awoimmm lost $0.25 (folded)
Leppy152 didn't bet (folded)
Tigon74 lost $0.25 (folded)
dacquoi lost $0.25 (folded)
90g09 didn't bet (folded)
Ugly Ed lost $8.45 (folded) [ Ac Jh ] (two pair, aces and queens)
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