My thoughts on FTR poker content

[YeaURBad]

I have been bored and since twoplustwo is down today, I decided to spend my time reading this forum.

I am truly shocked at how bad some of the advice is on here. Seems like I can count the number of succesful players on one hand (obv. slight exaggeration). There are some posters- gabe, rilla, lukie, aces, etc. that are pretty good and very knowledgable yet dont post enough poker content to make a meaningful difference in anyones improvement.

First off- people are making begginer guides who have no clue what they are talking about. Most of thier information is based off short sized samples. Making general rules in such a situational dependant game is sometimes fine, but too much of it really hinders individual thinking that should be developed on your own.

Second off- many of hands pasted receive ridiculously bad advice. So many hands are terribly misplayed and people don’t understand the basic fundamentals. If you want an example just look at every post in the small stakes forum.

Cliff notes:
-Any ssnl or msnl player is really impeding their progress by getting bad advice.

Solution:
Since I obviously look like an ass, if I just complain about advice I will go out of my way to try to reply to posts and offer my insight into hands and ideas.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

I think your post has merit but it's pretty pointless without either citing specific examples or offering your own advice.

[gabe]

who are you

[bigspenda73]

**cough**asshole**cough**

Now that I got that out of the way. Here is my opinion. This is a public forum where people are allowed to freely give their opinion. Sure, some are mistaken when giving advice. However, a vast majority of the time the person who was incorrect is corrected and not only does the original poster learn but so do many other readers.

My solution is when I post a hand I read every response but tend to put much more weight into a response from someone who I know and whose knowledge on poker I respect.

There are many many solid poker players on these forums. I could name names but there is no need for that. Having a "pooh-bah" account on 2+2 does not mean shit. Have you read their Small/micro stakes forums? Horrible advice there and it's on a much larger scale.

Sure, it would be great if every response and all the advice was perfect. But it's not, and it isn't going to be, ever. However, I think we do a great job of coming to a solid conclusion on all hands posted.

[YeaURBad]

There are many many solid poker players on these forums. I could name names but there is no need for that. Having a "pooh-bah" account on 2+2 does not mean shit. Have you read their Small/micro stakes forums? Horrible advice there and it's on a much larger scale.

I agree, post count does not = how good some players are. Some people are pooh bah and post primarily in bbv and other meaningless sub sections of the forums. Yet, ssnl and mirco forum actually give pretty good advice.

[swiggidy]

Solution: Disband FTR and everyone kills them self for sucking at life.

[acesfullokings]

There is a really easy solution to bad advice. Correct it if you feel it is wrong. But don't be an arsehole about it, and don't just say that is wrong. Highlight sections and say what you think and give a good explaination. If you do this is a helpful way your posts will surely be respected even if people don't agree with them. This is a community where opinions and ideas are exchanged. Some are right some are wrong and some in the middle, but that's ok, surely we are here to learn from each other so let's all be civilised and exchange ideas freely.

[biondino]

There is a really easy solution to bad advice. Correct it if you feel it is wrong. But don't be an arsehole about it, and don't just say that is wrong. Highlight sections and say what you think and give a good explaination. If you do this is a helpful way your posts will surely be respected even if people don't agree with them. This is a community where opinions and ideas are exchanged. Some are right some are wrong and some in the middle, but that's ok, surely we are here to learn from each other so let's all be civilised and exchange ideas freely.

On the money. Especially the bit I've highlighted. Can you honestly say that it's true at 2+2?

If you have the time to write a guide to some area of $100shnl I personally would be very grateful - FTR has helped me immensely but I'm sure no-one here would claim their advice is comprehensive or 100% correct. A fresh view would be really useful.

[gabe]

do i know you? pm me if u want

[Anosmic]

If you want an example just look at every post in the small stakes forum.

Hey, wait, wot?

We have a small-stakes forum?

[dust2]

Advice is exactly what it is.Whoever is taking there time to give someone advice,im sure is giving the best they know.I didnt see anyone say you have to follow there advice.So in my opion take what advice works for you and leave the rest.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I'm trying to keep an open mind with what you are saying. But you lost me when you said:

Yet, ssnl and mirco forum actually give pretty good advice.

I laugh at those forums everyday. I feel like most of the advice is pretty bad, and there is always one post a day where everyone agrees on something utterly wrong.

However, i would be interested in how your opinions differ from the rest of us. I'm not sure which forums you were looking at, but for cash games the shorthanded forum usually has pretty good advice. We don't have a small stakes forum so i'm not sure what you are referring to...

[Numbr2intheWorld]

There is a really easy solution to bad advice. Correct it if you feel it is wrong. But don't be an arsehole about it, and don't just say that is wrong. Highlight sections and say what you think and give a good explaination. If you do this is a helpful way your posts will surely be respected even if people don't agree with them. This is a community where opinions and ideas are exchanged. Some are right some are wrong and some in the middle, but that's ok, surely we are here to learn from each other so let's all be civilised and exchange ideas freely.

oh yeah, QFT.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Yeah while I see your point I mean wtf do you want us to do? We don't have as good players as 2p2 you're right. There are only a few players who give good advice here (myself not even close to included). But wtf are we supposed to do? We had some better players in our earlier years but now we don't. The commune here is great. All we can do is debate and try to learn and hopefully our content will improve a lot.

[Fortune 500]

Yeah while I see your point I mean wtf do you want us to do? We don't have as good players as 2p2 you're right. There are only a few players who give good advice here (myself not even close to included). But wtf are we supposed to do? We had some better players in our earlier years but now we don't. The commune here is great. All we can do is debate and try to learn and hopefully our content will improve a lot.

The advice here isn't so bad. We don't have any "name" players, but there are a variety of very solid players in all the forums.

In many ways, we have a mutual discovery thing going on here... When we post something, often we don't know the answer and the person(s) who answer often aren't 100 percent certain... but together, we usually trudge our way through it and get to the right place.

And we generally do it without the elitist asshole attitude of the other forum.

Many of the players on there are very arrogant and stuck up... and some of them aren't as good as they think they are.

Being a winner at poker is one thing... but FTR is made up of quality people with a helpful attitude.

And if you can't grasp that concept... well, there are other places you can go.

[Da GOAT]

guys lets not just get into a fuck you contest here.

original poster, it would be more helpful and you would probably agree that you take your debate into the small stakes forum and say whats incorrect etc etc than to post here. Nobody tries give incorrect advice but if you feel your input would be appreciated here then please get involved.

otherwise there just wont be anything positive coming out of this thread, it would be more useful if you posted this thread on 2+2 and try get some good players to post here too than telling the players here to simply just get better by themselves.

[swiggidy]

He hasn't posted here for almost a month.

This is a terribly bad noob bumb mass...

[acesfullokings]

There is a really easy solution to bad advice. Correct it if you feel it is wrong. But don't be an arsehole about it, and don't just say that is wrong. Highlight sections and say what you think and give a good explaination. If you do this is a helpful way your posts will surely be respected even if people don't agree with them. This is a community where opinions and ideas are exchanged. Some are right some are wrong and some in the middle, but that's ok, surely we are here to learn from each other so let's all be civilised and exchange ideas freely.

oh yeah, QFT.

What's QFT?

[bode]

Quoted For Truth

[acesfullokings]

Cheers

[Da GOAT]

man no way, i never check the dates on bumped posts. unless it says BUMP i never notice.

thx Da SWIG

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I'm so happy he followed through on his commitment to replying to more posts...

Stating that FTR poker content sucks, then telling people to not look like an ass you're going to post more, and then to only have 18 posts, isn't looking like an ass it's being one.

[swiggidy]

wtf mass, stop bumping this

[donkbee]

wtf mass, stop bumping this

[IowaSkinsFan]

wtf mass this guy is a 20 times better player than you so shut up, and no I dont care to debate about it

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