Debunking Evolution: problems, errors, and lies exposed

[wesrman]

FWIW i didnt even read this and i have no opinions on the subject because i dont give a fuck either way. I just figured this may be interesting to some of you douches. =P

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

This is a picture of a dog with a hammer on its tail
Your argument is invalid

[Lukie]

FWIW i didnt even read this and i have no opinions on the subject because i dont give a fuck either way

i'm surprised, given the above, that you thought it would be a good idea to make this thread then

[Lukie]

http://cabbagesofdoom.googlepages.co...nkingevolution

http://cabbagesofdoom.googlepages.co...nkingevolution

[kevster]

The internet is a awash with this kind of utter bullshit.

Anytime you see people using "macroevolution" to describe the fact the significant changes can happen to a species within a single generation, walk away. They are almost always creationists feebly attempting to use scientific terms they don't fully understand to support their ludicrous arguments that the earth has only been around for 4000 years.

If you want a real laugh search for Noah's Ark and some of the crass nonsensical "scientific" ideas various religious nuts are coming up with to "prove" that it really happened.

[wufwugy]

Debunking evolution would be like debunking gravity or germs or electromagnetism. I'm not going to comment specifically, but if OP or anybody has any specific questions about the development of biological organisms, let me know, and I'll gladly answer

[a500lbgorilla]

you're all going to hell dumbasses lol

if the earth isnt 6000 years old WHERE DO MORALS COME FROM?! Did we evolve MORALS from MONKEYS?!

The EARTH is EVIDENCE of GOD! OPEN YOUR EYES AND ACCEPT JESUS!

[a500lbgorilla]

Debunking evolution would be like debunking gravity or germs or electromagnetism. I'm not going to comment specifically, but if OP or anybody has any specific questions about the development of biological organisms, let me know, and I'll gladly answer

You say that we evolved from monkeys over thousands of years OH WAIT monkeys DONT LIVE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS lol

[a500lbgorilla]

DEBUNKING GRAVITY?! Why should i waste my time debunking something that DOESNT EXIST lol.

If gravity was real WHY arent we ORBITING MOUNTAINS?! And where is it in the Bible lol.

Think about it. Scientists want us to believe that the sun has a gravitation pull STRONG enough to keep a planet like NEPTUNE or PLUTO in orbit, but OH WAIT its not strong enough to hold THE MOON?!?!

These objects in space have yet to receive mans touch, and thus have no sin to weigh them down. This isn't the case for earth, where we see the impact of transfered sin to material objects. The MORE sin, the MORE weight. Any other ideas are just LIES, THE LIBERAL MEDIA AND THE DEVIL!!!

Jesus saves.

[JKDS]

<3 rilla

[Halv]

You say that we evolved from monkeys over thousands of years OH WAIT monkeys DONT LIVE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS lol

[wesrman]

<3 rilla

X2.

[Lukie]

haha, the funny part is, we've all heard those arguments at one point or another, complete with appropriate emphasis etc.

[Chelle]

lol

[a500lbgorilla]

haha, the funny part is, we've all heard those arguments at one point or another, complete with appropriate emphasis etc.

That's the best part, I took some of it from this site.

http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx?archive=1

[Parasurama]

Evilution is just monkey propaganda. If they want our respect they can get a job.

[boost]

this thread is full of the funnies and made me laugh.

[Irisheyes]

rilla on top form beats all

[wufwugy]

From rilla link

One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it. [emphasis added]

It's called the Sun. Amazing. When this was pointed out, I'm sure there was no acknowledgment by the fundie

Also, check Poe's Law http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe%27s_Law

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

[a500lbgorilla]

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

haha yeah it is

[Halv]

Sick link.

How can anyone beleive we evolved from monkeys heres a few questions for people who beleive that

1.If we did evolve from monkeys then how come babies arent born monkeys

2.Even Darwin said his theories were wrong before he died so why do you still believe them

3.do you really not believe the bible it says we were created in seven days not millions of years

4.how come we cant speak monkey

Just for a fact ape like creatures are monkeys Just in case certain people get on this thread

[Halv]

Apes are just creatures twisted by Satan to mock Jesus by giving EVILolition credibility. Further more they are naturally lust crazed for human women. Since they are not natural creatures they should be exterminated forthwith as the tools of evil they are.

[wufwugy]

^^^^^ I'm calling Poe's Law on this one. Actually, on many of them

[wufwugy]

This is just about the worst though

Just recently my son Bobby came out to me. I had been worried for awhile. His teachers said most of his grades were slipping and he seemed depressed and withdrawn.

Bobby said he'd been hiding it for awhile because he was afraid I would reject him. I sat him down and told him that I loved him and that God loved him, but that his salvation was in danger if he did not resist his unnatural tempations. I told him how being gay would mean he would live a shorter life, and that if he couldnt change his orientation he could be celibate like most the ex-gays are. He started crying saying something along the lines of "I knew you wouldnt understand! You're just like everyone else!" before running to his room and slamming the door.

What did I do wrong? I dont want to lose my son, but I fear I already have. I talked it over with his therapist, who had the ludicrous idea that homosexuality was unchangable and that trying to repress could lead to lots of psychological damage (I've dropped him and will try to be finding another therapist with more moral beliefs). I wouldnt be surprised if he's the one who's feeding my son all the homosexual propaganda about how its 'ok' to be gay. That, or how homosexuality has engulfed the media, making it seem 'cool' and 'hip' and how they were just another oppressed minority. You didnt have to worry about seeing two men making out on tv at my age! I dont want to sound like a fanatic, but Im worried what other effects will come out of this increasingly secular, immoral society obsessed with filth.

Am I too late? Or is it possible to save my son

Her son killed himself. The mother then renounced fundamentalism, and became an activist for gay rights. I find this story so freaking sad.

[wesrman]

this thread is full of the funnies and made me laugh.

5 stars ldo.

[wufwugy]

Ya this one is truly awesome

There are NO exceptions to abortion whatsoever. It is God's will that the woman was impregnated, and therefore she must birth the child!

I'm glad to see there were no "abortion is OK if she was raped" replies. If she was in fact raped, she must play the hand that was dealt to her, accept it as God's Will, and raise the interracial baby as her own.

[Galapogos]

lol, "How come we can't speak monkey?"

I laughed when I read it then and I laughed when I read it now.

[givememyleg]

"raise the interracial baby as her own. "

ha!

[bode]

"raise the interracial baby as her own. "

ha!

ha ha, thats so wrong yet so awesome at the same time!

[surviva316]

How come we can't speak monkey?

your move, darwin

[BankItDrew]

We sound just like them. Our arguments clash and I believe our words to be more reliable, but we sound just like them.

[Parasurama]

We sound just like them. Our arguments clash and I believe our words to be more reliable, but we sound just like them.

No, really, we don't

[wufwugy]

Well, evolution has provided all humans with the ability to form sentences and think they're right. This type of thing is essential for survival. Developing abstract models and theories about reality based in fact is not something that has been chosen for by natural selection to any kind of large degree, so it's standard that we see people able to structure arguments around falsehoods yet be clueless as to said falsehoods. That is essentially what logical fallacies are: logics that seem logical, but really aren't because they do not conform to reality, despite the fact that they 'seem' like they do

Then you have the rare few who realize this, over many generations of diligent and ingenuous discovery, have developed understandings of basic logical principles and the knowledge gathering process, yet they use the very same language and argument structuring as the uneducated (because even the dumbest of our species is quite advanced in this arena), and this allows the uneducated to think they're on par

That, and ego

[BankItDrew]

Well put wuf.

[a500lbgorilla]

re wufs explanation. It really shows you how inadequate debates and back-and-forth arguments are for achieving a meaninful understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOi2xqrQFSI

They both can sound like they're very right and very understanding apparently on all issues. Could certainly convince me on the merits of both their points but leave me with no real ability to make a good decision.

And this is how we figure out how to elect presidents. Just seems like we're way off.

[wufwugy]

re wufs explanation. It really shows you how inadequate debates and back-and-forth arguments are for achieving a meaninful understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOi2xqrQFSI

They both can sound like they're very right and very understanding apparently on all issues. Could certainly convince me on the merits of both their points but leave me with no real ability to make a good decision.

And this is how we figure out how to elect presidents. Just seems like we're way off.

Absolutely right.

But that's because we stop there. Humans have evolved to place enormous amounts of gravity on their own intuition. This is great for the survival of the population in a primitive world, but it wreaks havoc on individuals in the developed world where abstraction plays a much more vast role in our lives.

Look at it this way: civilization is not 'natural'. Civilization is a very new phenomenon from which humans have evolved very little. Civilizations have elaborate networks of economies and social programs which our species has not spent much time evolving for. But the key is that these things are not based on intuition, but on induction and deduction, yet must of the population disregards this and still attempts to understand civilization using intuition.

This is essentially why there are so many problems within civilization. We elect stupid people because we stupidly assume that our intuition is capable of understanding non-intuitive issues like economics, and we reap what we sow.

The science in areas of politics is WAY ahead of what the public thinks. An example is that the public thinks that we don't know how to run economies that well. When in actuality, the truth is that we know how to run economies AMAZINGLY well, we just can't because the dumbfuck voters egotistically assume that their intuition is good enough to understand economics, and they elect individuals who cater to their ill intuition, and the result is in the type of economics we've been seeing. But if we put actual scientists in charge, people who understand epistemology and empiricism, we would see economies based on facts and results instead of 'common sense' maxims that make people feel warm and fuzzy, and these economies would but light years ahead of our current structure. And this isn't stuff we have yet to figure out, it's stuff we already know, but it's confined to academia and textbooks, and the public holds those in contempt since it tells them they're wrong

A very basic rule of thumb for all people should be: don't attempt to think that we have any fucking clue about a subject if we haven't done a ton of research on it. Our intuition is nothing. It is what provokes us to run away from tigers, make sex to women, or laugh at jokes; but it is not what provides us with any sort of understanding of complicated subjects. In fact, a rather striking discovery of science has been that intuition and 'common sense' plays zero role in truth and fact. If we're using intuition to attempt to understand abstraction, we're doing it wrong. Poker analogizes fantastically. We all know that correct poker play is counter-intuitive pretty much all the time, and those who rely on their intuition get creamed

Or look at it this way. The vast majority of humans are superstitious. This alone is enough testament to the reality of humans valuing intuition over logic and data, valuing feel over fact

[boost]

wuf, after reading your post my intuition tells me to make babies with you.

[BennyLaRue]

Make sex to women?

[wufwugy]

Yes, that's what penis is for

[a500lbgorilla]

wait... my penis does other things than sneeze into tissues? wow a multitasker!

[kevster]

wait... my penis does other things than sneeze into tissues? wow a multitasker!

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Rilla is on form IMP.

how come we cant speak monkey

This is pure gold. I literally had to put a lot of effort in order not to piss myself.

[BennyLaRue]

Yes, that's what penis is for

It's cool. I reread the post in a Russian accent and it all made sense.

[Gobbatino]

[surviva316]

Now some people might object to killing atheists for there (and obviously it is there and not thier as they are not whos but whats ) organs but think of all the full human persons that would benifit from the organs and the medical research that could be done on these non-persons.

best claws ever spoken. it's "claws" instead of "clause" because they're talking about non-humans

[a500lbgorilla]

top notch work in this thread guys. one small question though... kevster as far as i can tell IMP means Insert My Penis. So im not really sure how to take your post. Im still flattered though

[givememyleg]

how evolution be true if we came from monkeys and there are still monkeys?

[BennyLaRue]

how evolution be true if we came from monkeys and there are still monkeys?

Have you ever seen monkeys and ugly people in the same room?

[bigred]

This is the monkey you idiots evolved from...

[kingnat]

This is the monkey you idiots evolved from...

i wish my penis was that big...


Also, +1 on wanting to make babies with wufwugy.

[mcatdog]

There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Most of our elected officials are either ignorant or disingenuous on economic matters but they aren't stupid. If it were that easy to convince thousands or millions of people to keep voting for you even as you bring about no positive changes, why don't you go do it?

Still nice post mr. wufwugy.

[kevster]

top notch work in this thread guys. one small question though... kevster as far as i can tell IMP means Insert My Penis. So im not really sure how to take your post. Im still flattered though

Yah, I tried to jam it in the old 3.5 inch floppy drive. I thought this was what they meant by cybersex.

[wufwugy]

Thanks for the kind words. I'm kind of surprised

WRT politicians and ignorance, some of them are, but IMO their policies are more about being politicians than being stupid. The two areas in which the highest IQs gravitate towards are the public sector and sciences (things like journalism and professors), and I think that politicians are among those.

However, the reason for politicians doing stupid shit all the time is simply for their electorate. It's not actually possible to be a political representative and not cater to your base, and this is why I think we see so much dumbassery from politicians. The problem is the voters. The fact that so many of us don't use our brains about political policies, yet we still vote. I honestly have no solution for this other than encouraging personal integrity and teaching critical thinking in school.

Look at it this way: George Bush was voted into office. Twice. People love to get down on Shrub and how horrible a president he was (including me), but we're missing the point if we don't ultimately put the blame on ourselves, on the voters who were uneducated and egotistical enough to make Bush their leader in the first place.

Another example is in this current economic crisis could have been easily avoided if voters did not so easily succumb to misdirection, hand waving, and false logic. There were actually Senators who voted against the Gramm Leach Bliley Act in 1999 (which is the main culprit for the financial collapse), and they voted nay because they realized how detrimental it would be to the economy. But nobody cared or listened, we all just went about our merry way being coddled and promised riches, and because we never crunch the numbers ourselves (or listen to those who do), we didn't change our ways until it was too late

But even then, the economic change now isn't that much. The financial regulations brought about by the Great Depression were so great and behind so much motivation that they created the most powerful economy and middle class the world had ever seen for decades. But as people started forgetting about the GD, they began letting corporate lobby change politicians' positions, and due to this we have seen over the last 40 years massive deregulation and income inequality which is completely responsible for this current recession.

But now we have certain safeguards to recessionary times. Safeguards like unemployment insurance, federal deposit insurance, monetary inflation, and the knowledge that allowing financial institutions to collapse is absolutely unacceptable. And because of these safeguards, and all the rest we've learned from the Great Depression, Japan's Lost Decade, and other recessions, we are not in dire straits. We are not in a depression even remotely as severe as the GD, and we're not going to get there. This is great, but this also means that the public will to change the system is also not there.

Back when FDR took office, and the Democrats sweeped Congress in 1932, things were SO bad that everybody flung their hands in the air and allowed FDR and the Dems nearly full reign to push their agenda. Nothing had worked and even the opposing party resigned from obstructing. This allowed the Dems to push a ton of legislation that would put an end to the Depression, and last for decades to come. But do we have this now? Or is half the country and half the Congress attempting to obstruct the same kind of agenda that history has shown to work? This is quite the testament to how bad things actually aren't. They're bad, don't get me wrong, but the GD was way worse, but because of that the entire populous was motivated enough to fix shit and do it right. Today, we don't see that. We see half the country and half the Congress unable to open up a history textbook or unable to talk to an economics professor, and go about their merry way of lies and obstruction.

This has actually all happened before in well documented US history. We let corporate conservatism to fuck everything up by deregulating markets and stealing all the wealth creation, then we ask social liberalism to fix everything by re-regulating those markets and re-instituting income equality. But this time, I don't think it's going to work that well because the electorate is so proud of their ignorance. Something as simple as letting the Bush tax cuts expire is the end of the world. Yet the science shows that the most economically sound tax system involves increasing taxes on the wealthy by about 5x what letting the Bush cuts expire would do.

The ultimate solution, however, is to fix campaign contributions and lobbying. Simply making them transparent or capping contributions would be by far the best thing for this country because it would mean that the rich folk can't buy politicians, and thus the vast majority of the problems that befall non-rich people would disappear. The unfortunate thing is that this is never going to happen. The GOP used to be the only vestige for the wealthy special interests, but they now have a rather strong strangle hold on the Blue dogs or the conservadems or whatever you wanna call them, the 1/3rd of the Democratic Party that are essentially secret Republicans. There simply would not be enough votes.

Turned into kind of a rabbit trail...

[boost]

if only..

[a500lbgorilla]

hahaha

[oskar]

IF WE EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS WHY ARE THERE STILL MONKEYS IS WHAT I WANNA KNOW FROM U APHEISZ111!!!