If you're homophobic, you're in the closet

[wufwugy]

Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? [J Abnorm Psychol. 1996] - PubMed result

The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.

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chicken or the egg imo.

Homophobia makes homosexual acts taboo to the homophobic, taboo acts can be arousing.

Not saying this is for sure the case, just a different way to view the results.

[wufwugy]

chicken or the egg imo.

Homophobia makes homosexual acts taboo to the homophobic, taboo acts can be arousing.

Not saying this is for sure the case, just a different way to view the results.

I don't think it's the taboo that makes it arousing, but that which makes the homophobia. While that which we find arousing is too hard to exactly designate, we do know that it's incredibly genetically determined.

The abstract doesn't say what constitutes as "homosexual stimuli" though. I'm not sure I wanna find the full paper to find out. I only mention because there are some things that can be considered gay that actually are not. Like some forms of penis appreciation

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I only mention because there are some things that can be considered gay that actually are not. Like some forms of penis appreciation

wat?

[wufwugy]

wat?

I was waiting for that

What I'm referring to is mainly the vicarious aspects of male sexuality. Many things from icon worship of the penis to liking watching other dudes get blown, cumshot, whatever

There seems to be a stark line between being able to be stimulated by arguably gay things and actually being attracted to the same sex. For example, a whole lot of men could hypothetically have gay sex in some ways, but not too many men are actually attracted to the masculinity e.g. bone structure, hair patterns, muscularity, etc. I'd say that there needs to be distinction between stimulation for stimulation's sake and actual sexual gender/characteristic attraction

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I was waiting for that

What I'm referring to is mainly the vicarious aspects of male sexuality. Many things from icon worship of the penis to liking watching other dudes get blown, cumshot, whatever

There seems to be a stark line between being able to be stimulated by arguably gay things and actually being attracted to the same sex. For example, a whole lot of men could hypothetically have gay sex in some ways, but not too many men are actually attracted to the masculinity e.g. bone structure, hair patterns, muscularity, etc. I'd say that there needs to be distinction between stimulation for stimulation's sake and actual sexual gender/characteristic attraction

ah, ok this makes sense. Like, you don't really want to watch porn co-staring some little dick jerk, so therefore you want to see a nice big cock... which is pretty gay... ha..

[BennyLaRue]

e.g. bone structure, hair patterns, muscularity, etc.

What about mustaches?

[d0zer]

I'm comfortable enough in my sexuality that I can do things gay enough to convince most people that I'm a faggot.


If you can't, yer prolly a fag, fags

[jyms]

I've always felt there was some truth to this without reading the article yet.

[givememyleg]

you could just be an ignorant fuckwad too

[a500lbgorilla]

What if you just hate the gays in accord with God's wishes?

[wufwugy]

What if you just hate the gays in accord with God's wishes?

Are you saying God's in the closet too?

[a500lbgorilla]

Are you saying God's in the closet too?

Could God possibly create a gay so alluring that it turns Him gay?

[a500lbgorilla]

I recall in Hitchen's memoirs he talks about the mutual masturbation culture of his school years (an all male school). Hitch 22, a recommended read.

[wufwugy]

I recall in Hitchen's memoirs he talks about the mutual masturbation culture of his school years (an all male school). Hitch 22, a recommended read.

LOL Hitch had JO buddies

Seriously though, homosexuality exists due to its survival benefits to the population. So far the interpretation of that involves mainly two things. 1) Mothers having increased reproduction capacity/desires with indirect effects on offspring sexuality, and 2) sexual companionship and intimacy among the population

[Monty3038]

Hmm... I think Kinison said it best... "How can one man can look at another man's hairy ass and find love?"

Or something to that effect.

[JL]

Hmm... I think Kinison said it best... "How can one man can look at another man's hairy ass and find love?"

Or something to that effect.

That's dumb. Women aren't attracted to our hairy asses. Homosexual men are not attracted to other men's hairy ass. They are attracted to men for the same reason women are attracted to men, ldo.

[wufwugy]

That's dumb. Women aren't attracted to our hairy asses. Homosexual men are not attracted to other men's hairy ass. They are attracted to men for the same reason women are attracted to men, ldo.

I'm not exactly sure of that

I think it has more to do with homosexual men having a gender switch attraction, not becoming like women. Gay men do not take on all the non-physical and emotional stuff that women do. They're attracted to what they're attracted to just the way hetero men are

Women tend to not pick men based on how they look, men tend to pick women based on how they look. Gay men are like the latter not the former

Also, the gayest guy I've known really liked hairy men and hated effeminate men. He would fit the research that most gay men tend to be attracted to manliness, which is contrary to what a lot of people think. I'd predict that most gay men would prefer coal miners over twilight faggots, whereas with women most of them may prefer the twilight faggotry

[d0zer]

I'd predict that most gay men would prefer coal miners over twilight faggots, whereas with women most of them may prefer the twilight faggotry

You may have beat me to the JL punch, but these predictions suck.

[wufwugy]

You may have beat me to the JL punch, but these predictions suck.

Explain

[d0zer]

They are attracted to men for the same reason women are attracted to men, ldo.

Pretty sure that's untrue given the multitude of differences between male & female attraction and sexuality. Gay guys aren't women with dicks, despite what pop culture would suggest.

[JL]

My point was that gay men aren't attracted to other men because they like hairy asses.

[gabe]

i bet on a friend (lets call him elton) of mine being gay. i posted the money and get 3:1 if elton ever comes out of the closet. if he never does, the person i bet with forever keeps the money. elton seems homophobic way more than most people (although he has tempered it now that im around). he goes out of his way to be anti-gay like refusing to be a unicorn in a video game for no clear apparent reason. thats not real homophobia but there has to be some internalized gay resistance going on IMO, which is congruent with the study in the OP. i hope its true because it will result in me shipping some nice $$$

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i bet on a friend (lets call him elton) of mine being gay. i posted the money and get 3:1 if elton ever comes out of the closet. if he never does, the person i bet with forever keeps the money. elton seems homophobic way more than most people (although he has tempered it now that im around). he goes out of his way to be anti-gay like refusing to be a unicorn in a video game for no clear apparent reason. thats not real homophobia but there has to be some internalized gay resistance going on IMO, which is congruent with the study in the OP. i hope its true because it will result in me shipping some nice $$$

Is dude good looking? I'm seeing a double win situation for you

[ensign_lee]

That's an interesting bet. I assume then that you gave him teh money upfront (since otherwise there's no real way for him to win) and then if you're ver right he gives you that money back x4 (3x for winnings, 1x for initial stake)?

[jyms]

I think you guys are way over generalizing what gay men want in a partner. It's no different than us talking about women and the variations we prefer. I'm sure there are as many varying opinions of what's hot and what isn't in the gay community. The only thing I have a hard time understanding is why do so many lesbian women go out or their way to look like men or date that type when they like women? Or why do some gay men only like CD or TG types when they prefer men? Maybe it's just the same as me liking the amazon type women, who knows.

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Or why do some gay men only like CD or TG types when they prefer men? Maybe it's just the same as me liking the amazon type women, who knows.

As has been stated upthread, typically gay men are weirded out and not attracted to transexuals. In a candid convo with a guy I worked with the subject came up and he pretty much said that they are not at all part of the gay community and that its pretty much always "straight" guys that go for them.

[wufwugy]

As has been stated upthread, typically gay men are weirded out and not attracted to transexuals. In a candid convo with a guy I worked with the subject came up and he pretty much said that they are not at all part of the gay community and that its pretty much always "straight" guys that go for them.

That jives up well with my original analysis. Homosexuality seems more like a flipflop of attraction, while virtually everything else is a variation of heterosexuality or also a "misfiring" of sexuality that could be said to still be borne more out of hetero than homo

Even pedophilia is thought to be a sort of biological misfiring based in things like mens' enormous desires to protect their sexuality and protect children. There are also huge social factors in pedophilia too so much so that the genes that prompt it may not ever be triggered under different circumstances.

[wufwugy]

CD, TG?

[jyms]

Oh good, now I have to show my knowledge of the gay community?

CrossDressers
TransGendered

[Monty3038]

Way to miss the point of a little humor being injected.

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The research I've seen suggests you're all stupid.

[Monty3038]

The research I've seen suggests you're all stupid.

Well I know I am.

I was raised in a homophobic, racist, abusive, destructive environment. And I turned out to be about 70% tolerant of just about anything... so I think I did pretty good. But when I think of racist or homophobic comments, I know it is stupid... so that makes me stupid in correlation.

Or I could just be responding after drinking.

[d0zer]

WELL ISN'T THAT CONVENIENT

I believe the gay men liking masculinity thing, it was more the claim that most women want "twilight faggotry" that I took issue with. ...or were you talking about gay women?

[wufwugy]

WELL ISN'T THAT CONVENIENT

I believe the gay men liking masculinity thing, it was more the claim that most women want "twilight faggotry" that I took issue with. ...or were you talking about gay women?

Well, Twilight is pretty basic porn for women.

There is some decent variety in what women like. Oftentimes they're more dilemmatic than men though. But Twilight exists almost exclusively because it's girl porn. The funny thing is that most women don't even realize this about Twilight. They say it's a good movie or blah blah. It's not, it's girl porn. Very few popular movies are as much girl porn as that one. Even movies like The Notebook aren't even close

The only thing in the entire world that would ever create a heavily breathing, sparkling, shiny, metro vampire douche is a woman's vagina

[d0zer]

Well, Twilight is pretty basic porn for women.

There is some decent variety in what women like. Oftentimes they're more dilemmatic than men though. But Twilight exists almost exclusively because it's girl porn. The funny thing is that most women don't even realize this about Twilight. They say it's a good movie or blah blah. It's not, it's girl porn. Very few popular movies are as much girl porn as that one. Even movies like The Notebook aren't even close

The only thing in the entire world that would ever create a heavily breathing, sparkling, shiny, metro vampire douche is a woman's vagina

lol wat

this thread is absurd

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Wufwugy, the research I've seen suggests Twilight is not just girl porn.

[wufwugy]

Wufwugy, the research I've seen suggests Twilight is not just girl porn.