U.S. claims to have foiled Iranian attempt to assasinate Saudi emissary

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U.S. weighs how to pressure Iran in wake of alleged plot - CNN.com

First step to WWIII by going public with this info?

[Nekrogovner]

Just hoping WWIII avoids Isle of Man , and Europe in general. We don't care about USA's transparent attempts to hoard more oil.

[bigred]

You think nuclear fallout will reach Canada? I hear Alaska is nice this time of year.

[rong]

Prob best to do it now before they develop nukes. No doubt we'll be playing scrappy to your scooby again. If only daphne would turn up somewhere, a good war needs some eye candy.

[Hawk]

I'm sure we'll send a sternly worded letter of disapproval to Iran.

[wufwugy]

Frankly, I don't believe anything US says about war/Iran/CIA stuff. Afghanistan was an enormously important region in the struggle for future global/energy dominance, then miraculously we ended up invading. Similar with Iraq. Iran is the one place US wants to invade the most as doing so would fully establish US as the controller of ME energy

Venezuela would then be the only other place on the planet that US could reasonably pressure, but invasion is not an option since the entire continent would go crazy, and CIA plots were defeated

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Doesn't matter if you believe it or not a large amount of damage could be done by outing this information. How do you think America would respond if Russia accused us of trying to assasinate it's diplomats to China?

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Doesn't matter if you believe it or not a large amount of damage could be done by outing this information. How do you think America would respond if Russia accused us of trying to assasinate it's diplomats to China?

I think it was a fake outing to find the seer

[wufwugy]

^lollllllll

[Lukie]

You think nuclear fallout will reach Canada? I hear Alaska is nice this time of year.

problem pre-emptively solved? (stuxnet)

[Jack Sawyer]

Curve Ball pt. 2?

Return of the Curve Ball? Attack of the Curve Ball? President Obama and the Deathly Curve Ball pt. 2? C'mon, I can do this all day


Obviously, music to the ears of the Orcs in charge of nat sec

[wufwugy]

Failed Terror Plot Too Strange To Be True? - YouTube

[wufwugy]

If you liked the Iraq War, you're gonna love the Iran War

[Lukie]

The entire scheme does sound extremely odd. Iran's quds force enlists mexican drug cartel to murder a foreign diplomat via a bombing in Washington. In fact, it is so odd that it makes me somewhat inclined to think it is real, but there is a certain amount of intuition that goes into making that and reading watching/reading a half dozen takes on the internet doesn't really give me much useful information to go off of.

And the above leads to another very perplexing dilemma. Why would the quds force, who are quite skilled, enlist a mexican drug cartel littered with US and mexican intelligence agents? IF we make the assumption that the allegations are true, whoever did this was either hopelessly naive or wanted to get caught. I think it's the latter. Did they really think the U.S. doesn't monitor financial transactions?

Either way, the accusation entails an act of war against the U.S. It's almost as if someone in the quds force was trying to bait us into a response, but I'm getting way too hypothetical for me to stand.

Just some random musing, still trying to wrap my head around this one

[Lukie]

Failed Terror Plot Too Strange To Be True? - YouTube

I watched this the other day and from what I can remember, thought it was a good take.

The problem I have with it just relates to basic (for poker players ) first and second level thinking. If you're going to tell a lie, you don't make up the most weirdly bizarre, unbelievable plot imaginable. But I don't know, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about something like this and certainly won't be the last...

[wufwugy]

I watched this the other day and from what I can remember, thought it was a good take.

The problem I have with it just relates to basic (for poker players ) first and second level thinking. If you're going to tell a lie, you don't make up the most weirdly bizarre, unbelievable plot imaginable. But I don't know, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about something like this and certainly won't be the last...

I definitely agree, but also disagree. A few tidbits

- We're dealing with the old guard here. Establishment powers that could very easily get away with this just a few years ago. They underestimate the role of internet media/information abundance

- It could still work, easily. Majority America still buys whatever shit the powers sell

- It's the fucking US government. Are they ever not lying? Iraq was invaded for war profits and oil control, marijuana is illegal for criminal justice profits and oppressing minorities. IMO the default position on something like this is if a conglomerate of federal government, megacorps, and media are pushing a story, it's not true

- On 0-1 level thinking, why would Quds be idiots in the first place?

- At least according to Cenk, there are nearly zero reputable sources claiming this isn't bullshit or close to bullshit



FWIW, Cenk Uygur is the country's best political pundit. Some guys have very excellent analysis of political issues (Reich, Greenwald, Taibi), but frankly, I think everybody's at best second to Cenk. Politics being a big hobby of mine, I've found his predictions and explanations to be the most accurate. For example (I don't remember the exact dates/numbers), a while back he was discussing Obama's anti-terrorism policies and results and contrasting to the Bush admins, then predicted that within about 16 months we'd catch Osama. He was off by a few months IIRC. I have yet to see any pundit analyze and predict anything as well as that

[baudib]

small sample size imo

[wufwugy]

example of larger picture imo

[Lukie]

forgive the source, just did a quick google search to get the video and this was the first result

VIDEO: Watch Attorney General Eric Holder, FBI Director Robert Mueller Hold Press Conference on Iran-Linked Terror Plot « Fox News Insider

wuf, are you saying that what Eric Holder is saying in that press conference is a bold faced lie?

it wouldn't be unprecedented based on prior regimes, but I'm just curious if that is what you're saying.

If I had to guess, and I stress it's only a guess, I'd say that the plot was real but didn't go high up with quds/iran, a lone wolf/disgruntled guy of sorts. that, of course, is likely wrong on some level but that tends to happen with little information available right now.

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forgive the source, just did a quick google search to get the video and this was the first result

VIDEO: Watch Attorney General Eric Holder, FBI Director Robert Mueller Hold Press Conference on Iran-Linked Terror Plot « Fox News Insider

wuf, are you saying that what Eric Holder is saying in that press conference is a bold faced lie?

it wouldn't be unprecedented based on prior regimes, but I'm just curious if that is what you're saying.

If I had to guess, and I stress it's only a guess, I'd say that the plot was real but didn't go high up with quds/iran, a lone wolf/disgruntled guy of sorts. that, of course, is likely wrong on some level but that tends to happen with little information available right now.

ya, I mean, the lone wolf/disgruntled rogue theory seems to be the simplest and most plausible. Then he gets caught and spins this lie that he thinks might bring about World War Part 3: Jihad vs. the Infidels. There are tons of people in power who have been waiting for this opportunity, and so they jump at the chance despite the story being completely absurd.

[Jack Sawyer]

U.S. War w/ Iran Over 'Foiled Terror Plot'? - YouTube

[Lukie]

I always figured the next republican president would attack* Iran, but in light of recent events, it wouldn't surprise me one iota if it happened during the Obama administration.

*I had alluded to this earlier in the thread, but the idea of an attack is severely blurred in the digital age. In effect, we (or somebody, perhaps Mossad) already DID attack Iran's nuclear facilities, via the weapon malware stuxnet. Frankly, I think it was brilliant.

[wufwugy]

wuf, are you saying that what Eric Holder is saying in that press conference is a bold faced lie?

I don't know. I have a hard time thinking Democrats are also as much a monolith of lies as Republicans, but it's probably just as true as long as they're establishment. It doesn't have to be bold-faced lying, just misdirection or low standards for connections. Holder is a professional debater in a profession where being right isn't as important as making your point, as well as the profession being overrun with corruption. Whether it's purposeful or not, prosecutors persecute and convict the innocent like crazy

Or it could be that he's an "outsider". Just a slight one. I think you could say Obama is still a slight outsider. Establishment powers probably consider them obstacles to be worked around and manipulated. Bottom line I guess is that I can't say much kindness for the criminal justice system. They do nearly nothing right, fuck the poor and less fortunate like crazy, and are basically a legal arm of the rich establishment. Seriously, the DOJ could shut down today, and about 90% of what happens would be fantastic

Cenk makes the statement that Holder could easily just be the guy reporting on reports he's given. He doesn't have to know if they're true, he trusts his sources (which are probably corrupt). That's about as plausible an explanation as needed

[wufwugy]

I always figured the next republican president would attack* Iran, but in light of recent events, it wouldn't surprise me one iota if it happened during the Obama administration.

*I had alluded to this earlier in the thread, but the idea of an attack is severely blurred in the digital age. In effect, we (or somebody, perhaps Mossad) already DID attack Iran's nuclear facilities, via the weapon malware stuxnet. Frankly, I think it was brilliant.

Frankly, I think Obama's foreign policy outside of Afghanistan and Iraq has been fantastic*. Like really good, and people don't recognize it. If this was the Bush Admin, a shitload of Libyans would have been slaughtered, then we would have invaded, and would currently be running a big occupation. Either that or sent aid to Gaddafi

If pushed, Obama will do stuff with Iran. Invade? I'm not so sure of that, but he will take out targets if he feels he has to. I think this stuff is more for the election purposes. Even though Republicans have dreadful results in protecting the US and Obama has virtually the best "protecting US" credentials of a president in the last few decades, the voting public still believes Republicans are better at defense. This, and the fact that Democrats never make their case, means that we should expect the GOP to turn it into an issue for the election. Then after Romney/Rubio wins Florida, US is already geared up to invade Iran

*I kinda have no opinion on his Iraq/Afghan policy. They're necessary regional bases for the future US dominance and pretty much the entire establishment would go against his decision to drastically drop down the occupations. I wish we had a president who would tell the war profiteers and big oil to just fuck off, but Obama's not that guy

[Icanhastreebet]

oh look one of the 4 countries w/o centralized bank about to be invaded next. *rolls eyes*

[Jack Sawyer]

Pepe Escobar-Iranian Plot Was A Manufactured Insider Job - YouTube

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U.S. War w/ Iran Over 'Foiled Terror Plot'? - YouTube

i'm now tilted.

[Lukie]

why? i watched that last night and there was no new info in there, no viewpoint that hadn't been discussed, and he never explicitly made the claim that the plot was 'manufactured'

[OngBonga]

Funny, when an American gets arrested for "spying" or whatever in Iran, the Yanks are quick to say it's bullshit, before demanding his release amid threats of sanctions and whatnot.

For fuck's sake, can you Americans please have a fucking revolution or something?

[BooG690]

Funny, when an American gets arrested for "spying" or whatever in Iran, the Yanks are quick to say it's bullshit, before demanding his release amid threats of sanctions and whatnot.

For fuck's sake, can you Americans please have a fucking revolution or something?

We're trying!