Congrats to the Carnage Wolves!

[MadMojoMonkey]

Modding is about twice as fun as playing. I hope you guys all had a fun game.

Mistakes were made, but on the whole it was great times.

***
MVP?

Funniest post?

Most game-changing moment?

[BankItDrew]

I love the mods notes to self. You are a very organized man.

Btw, the game shouldn't have ended. There was a time when two noms were submitted which nullified each other.

MVP either rong or luco obv.

Not sure about funniest post. Although keyboreds shot was LOLOLOL immediately from a wolf perspective.

Best game changing moment was def key's shot. Everything changed at that point. Shit hit the fan then.

[BankItDrew]

ONE MORE GAME
ONE MORE GAME
ONE MORE GAME

(before 2015)

This quicky doesn't count.

[OngBonga]

This was obviously weighted heavily in the wolves' favour, so it's hard to give the wovles any serious credit for their win. That said, I enjoyed this format and think that for the size of the game, just one less wolf is all it needs to make this a playable game.

luco isn't mvp jeez, he did nothing to look like a villager. dan at least felt sincere, apart from his one slip on d1.

[BankItDrew]

So this is what a butthurt ong sounds like.

[Luco]

Thanks for modding MMM, good job. I never pay much attention to the story btw so don't take it personally

For me the best exchange came from gator / drew:

Gator - Hoopy trending up the village ladder. BID trending down
BID - your mom trending down
Gator - your mom bending down

BAM

[OngBonga]

So this is what a butthurt ong sounds like.

haha nope, it's hard to be butthurt by a dick as small as yours.

[OngBonga]

I talk about the wolves' collective dick, not your personal dick drew.

[OngBonga]

Seriously though we would've lost d2 if jkds didn't shoot you drew. That tells you how much in the favour of the wolves it was. I didn't want to bitch about it during the game because I'll be honest, the challenge appealed to me.

[Luco]

Ong if you read the den around N1 you'll see that both baudib and I were unhappy with our end of day shenanigans. I did not play well there.

[OngBonga]

It wasn't a bad play, taking into account the numbers and the fact dan is a wolf. It gets rid of a confirmed villager, while setting up a final battle between doobs keith and dan, and I think dan is always winning that battle.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I admit that the way players think about roles and balance outside of a game is different from they way they do it in game.

There were a couple of times, where I felt a bit betrayed over criticism of the roles. How I felt then and what I think about it now are 2 different things. It's just a different perspective, not betrayal, I just want that out there right quick.

I mean, the game was severely favoring the wolves. I was surprised that the players wanted so much wolf-edge in the pre-game thread. I kept thinking, well, it's gonna take some good shots from the guns. Problem is that no one wanted to hold that gun for more than a few seconds, you trigger happy menaces to society.

***
It takes hours to do the write-ups, and it's tedious to do so in a way that doesn't even remotely hint at people's roles. It requires prep work during the days and nights to have a story mostly fleshed out, even though I didn't know for certain who would die in the story.

Is it worth it? (I know that I'm fishing for compliments here. Deal with it as you will.)

It's a brutal thing to have a person who is not a writer do a bit of writing and then present it in a format that demands NO FEEDBACK to the author about the creative writing bits.

I feel like I was a bit abusive of wufwugy, and the misspelling of his name isn't even on that list. (That bit about the burger and fries, though... priceless)

[Luco]

Seriously though we would've lost d2 if jkds didn't shoot you drew. That tells you how much in the favour of the wolves it was. I didn't want to bitch about it during the game because I'll be honest, the challenge appealed to me.

I'm not as concerned with balance as others here seem to be. I just like the thrill of the chase.

At least mojo told us straight up it would be imba

[OngBonga]

But for a wolf to be mvp, he needs to convince people he's villager. You never looked like a villager luco.

It's between dan and jkds for mvp imo, I'd need to see the night chats before deciding how much credit to give jkds.

[OngBonga]

I'm not as concerned with balance as others here seem to be. I just like the thrill of the chase.

At least mojo told us straight up it would be imba

I'm not that concerned. I'll strive for balance, but it's not a deal breaker. I'd just prefer to be on the light side if it is imba.

[Luco]

It wasn't a bad play, taking into account the numbers and the fact dan is a wolf. It gets rid of a confirmed villager, while setting up a final battle between doobs keith and dan, and I think dan is always winning that battle.

We got lucky. We played in a way that basically outed us and got lucky that there was still a strawman left at the end of it all.

[OngBonga]

If you need evidence, ask dan if this wolf win compares to his last wolf win in terms of fistpump value.

[Luco]

But for a wolf to be mvp, he needs to convince people he's villager. You never looked like a villager luco.

It's between dan and jkds for mvp imo, I'd need to see the night chats before deciding how much credit to give jkds.

Drew calls me mvp every game, it's like a running joke

[OngBonga]

We got lucky. We played in a way that basically outed us and got lucky that there was still a strawman left at the end of it all.

I got lucky too. I'm getting hi fives for tearing baudib apart, but the fact is you two outed yourselves and I have the biggest mouth here.

[BankItDrew]

Drew calls me mvp every game, it's like a running joke

It's cause you're the best.

[BankItDrew]

MMM, sorry dude. I never read the write ups.

[MadMojoMonkey]

But for a wolf to be mvp, he needs to convince people he's villager. You never looked like a villager luco.

It's between dan and jkds for mvp imo, I'd need to see the night chats before deciding how much credit to give jkds.

N1 chat is must read. BID pulls out a vintage that he hasn't shared with FTR for many months. I'm still drunk.

As good as JKDS is... BID's actions made JKDS's response a foregone conclusion.

Only vintage BID could miss that shot on vintage BID.

[BankItDrew]

Hahaha <3 you too buddy

[JKDS]

BID, I cant believe you edited the night chat and the wolf chat to discredit how I caught you. You're making it seem like you just posted in the wrong thread intentionally? Cmon man, thats lame. I caught you fair and square.

[BankItDrew]

I do what I want

[JKDS]

ONE MORE GAME
ONE MORE GAME
ONE MORE GAME

(before 2015)

This quicky doesn't count.

I may make one. Im very tempted. Christmas fucks everything though

[Luco]

I admit that the way players think about roles and balance outside of a game is different from they way they do it in game.

There were a couple of times, where I felt a bit betrayed over criticism of the roles. How I felt then and what I think about it now are 2 different things. It's just a different perspective, not betrayal, I just want that out there right quick.

I mean, the game was severely favoring the wolves. I was surprised that the players wanted so much wolf-edge in the pre-game thread. I kept thinking, well, it's gonna take some good shots from the guns. Problem is that no one wanted to hold that gun for more than a few seconds, you trigger happy menaces to society.

***
It takes hours to do the write-ups, and it's tedious to do so in a way that doesn't even remotely hint at people's roles. It requires prep work during the days and nights to have a story mostly fleshed out, even though I didn't know for certain who would die in the story.

Is it worth it? (I know that I'm fishing for compliments here. Deal with it as you will.)

It's a brutal thing to have a person who is not a writer do a bit of writing and then present it in a format that demands NO FEEDBACK to the author about the creative writing bits.

I feel like I was a bit abusive of wufwugy, and the misspelling of his name isn't even on that list. (That bit about the burger and fries, though... priceless)

Mojo the easiest way to do the writeups is to loudly disclaimer that they have no bearing on roles in the opening post.

Just glanced through and your writeups were pretty funny actually, couldn't find a reference to burger and fries though?

And people will always complain about the roles and rules. For a while it got so bad we threatened to modkill for it I think... generally arguing about the format is a town tell (like how gator realised keith was V early this game)

Yes the game was imba but we'd prolly all still run it twice just so we could all get a go with a gun, everyone wants to be a soulread hero really. I think that was the idea here right? short, hard, heavily dependant on the aim of the gunslingers

[Luco]

BID, I cant believe you edited the night chat and the wolf chat to discredit how I caught you. You're making it seem like you just posted in the wrong thread intentionally? Cmon man, thats lame. I caught you fair and square.

I woke up in the morning and saw the bankitderp, almost pissed myself I was laughing so hard

[MadMojoMonkey]

Just glanced through and your writeups were pretty funny actually, couldn't find a reference to burger and fries though?

It's in the D2 write up:

Baudib's nervous tone got wuf's attention. "Jibbers, ong, calm down will ya? This place could be nothin' but a fat-wolf buffet in seconds if you're wrong." wuf's gut was really happy now, and giving him advice he could really stand by. He quietly promised to buy it a burger later.

Later, in same

"I don't like to say things like this, but I think ong is right this time." wuf felt a little bad for being wrong about ong before - and saying some things - but then he felt good about feeling bad, and pretty good about being right. All in all, pretty good, mostly. He was gonna keep it up. Damn it all if his gut didn't earn itself an order of fries.

Still makes me grin.

[Luco]

Trust gut. Gut is good. Gut deserves reward. have burger, gut

[OngBonga]

My gut dererves a cup of tea and some chocolate hobonbs.

[Hoopy]

I LUV SHOOTING VILLAGERS!

[Hoopy]

It takes hours to do the write-ups, and it's tedious to do so in a way that doesn't even remotely hint at people's roles. It requires prep work during the days and nights to have a story mostly fleshed out, even though I didn't know for certain who would die in the story.

Is it worth it? (I know that I'm fishing for compliments here. Deal with it as you will.)

It's a brutal thing to have a person who is not a writer do a bit of writing and then present it in a format that demands NO FEEDBACK to the author about the creative writing bits.

I feel like I was a bit abusive of wufwugy, and the misspelling of his name isn't even on that list. (That bit about the burger and fries, though... priceless)

I like reading the write ups, and actually really enjoyed creating the story last game. If it was more of an in depth story e.g. "The Conglomerate" then yeah I think it requires way more planning + effort. My stuff was just spur of the moment humor with individual piss taking thrown in.

But equally if someone doesn't want to write a story that's fine as well.

[OngBonga]

I usually scan the write up looking for my name. I enjoyed the bits I read, but I'd be lying if I said I read it all.

When I did the write ups for the world war game, I didn't give a fuck if people were reading it. I enjoyed doing it.

[Hoopy]

Can we see the wolf thread MMM?

[OngBonga]

See the game thread.

[OngBonga]

Here you go hoopy...

Wolf Chat:
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Vv9Vjp9DvKRxf


Dead Thread:
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/FebZaKmAvbK


Night Watch (N1):
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/fZsvj9fe5n69


Night Watch (N2):
http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/cfbRvKfdpE6q

[Luco]

I LUV SHOOTING VILLAGERS!

Im legitimately jealous

[OngBonga]

I don't hate the gator shot. I hate the doobs rescind. I'm gonna vig you for that one day hoopy.

[rong]

Definitely an easy win, but circumstances made it that way what with the poor shots. I can't criticise though, I'd have shot baudib or
Ong day 1, just for kicks.

Highlight of the game is definitely n1 night chat, wtf lol.

Thanks for nodding mmm, I liked the write ups.

[Keith]

been thinking ,is a better implementation of my plan would be for the hotshots to reveal themselves so vig and bodyguard could out themselves if they were threatened by the plan and hotshots should shoot first but with option that if only two HS claim that no one shoots . If 3 claim HS they just shoot out amongst themselves to find the wolf HS . wolf HS would have to sit back and shoot a claimer....which means that we'd have two confirmed hotshot villagers or wolf HS has to shoot one of the village HS.

[Keith]

lol @ the deaders thinking i was the wolf .......how many wolves do i have to force out/reveal before i get considered to be village.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Anybody else notice that Hoopy's shot thing? The one where he dropped a reads list post naming all 4 wolfs together in 1 category (unknown), then shot the one person in that category that wasn't a wolf?

anyone?

just me?

***
wuf was really half-right a lot of times in the game, but they were lost in the noise of all the other things he said. I wanna say his post 69 was his 3rd post and his suspicions were all on wolves or specials.

[wufwugy]

See the results now, will have to read through later

I don't think there was much we could do about Rong being a wolf. I made a case for him but didnt post it because it wasn't nearly as strong as the case for Dhubs and Luco, and that wraps up the game win or loss

Congrats on teh slaughterfest win!

[OngBonga]

lol @ the deaders thinking i was the wolf .......how many wolves do i have to force out/reveal before i get considered to be village.

cmon keith we've surely evolved past the point where pressuring wolves doesn't mean shit. When I won a couple of games back, rilla was bang on that I was overdoing it, that I was risking a too much information tell.

And besides, my gut said you were a wolf, but logic told me you weren't, and logic prevails. I don't think I'd have lynched you over dan given the chance.

[wufwugy]

Wuf you said that keith would have pushed back at ong d2, why would he? If dhuber is a wolf then baud was a dead duck at that point

I don't think he was a dead duck at all. People lynch who you convince them to lynch. From a village perspective, Ong's early Baud bold was wrought with terrors, and if the other wolves had jumped in and pushed against it, it could have easily been Ong who got lynched. I don't think it would have worked this time because I have some serious tells on wolfbaud so I saw Ong was right rather quickly, but it would be quite a stunner for somebody like Keith to not jump in the fray and point out all the reasons why Ong's early bold was pro-wolf

The old Rong would have done it too. He posts like a third as much as he used to, so I guess a lot of those old reads don't work anymore

If we lynch you today after deciding a very likely path yesterday, when its all going so well, you'd have to question whether it would be looking to easy by tomorrow. It's never that straightforward.

For sure this is normally how it works, but I didn't think it would happen this game. The gap between you and Dhubs was just so huge. I mean, no wolf ever did bold him and you were bolded on Baud at a late d1 stage. After Luco flips wolf, it either means they were trying to save Dhubs or they weren't, and I think we're always siding with the former.

I'm glad Key led on Dhubs, so we could get this over with. It was a miracle that two wolves died as is. I think the only way the village wins this is with a bunch of luck and a wolf team that totally drops the ball. The fact that we were on the right course for a while suggests that if we're winning, it's because the wolves dropped the ball i.e. the Dhubs situation.

[rong]

Really, y'all should lynch me early every game, I'm a lazy villager who's does very little but I do ok as a wolf simply because I'm rather good at staying alive. I should be day one lynch material.

[OngBonga]

My early bold wasn't pro-wolf. It's was a bluff that paid off. Even if baudib is a villager, the other wolves can't jump on him, because they won't reach majority. Yeah 4 is a lych, but it's not an auto-lynch because it's not a majority and I can rescind, even after they train him.

[OngBonga]

Really, y'all should lynch me early every game, I'm a lazy villager who's does very little but I do ok as a wolf simply because I'm rather good at staying alive. I should be day one lynch material.

I think I'm slowly learning how to read you. If you're really fucking wolfy, you're a villager. If you're slightly wolfy, you're a wolf.

[wufwugy]

My early bold wasn't pro-wolf. It's was a bluff that paid off. Even if baudib is a villager, the other wolves can't jump on him, because they won't reach majority. Yeah 4 is a lych, but it's not an auto-lynch because it's not a majority and I can rescind, even after they train him.

Oh I didn't say it was, just that it wouldn't be too hard to convince people it was. It's not the easiest thing in the world to early bold on the final day and have nobody question it

[wufwugy]

I think I'm slowly learning how to read you. If you're really fucking wolfy, you're a villager. If you're slightly wolfy, you're a wolf.

Yeah I remember thinking a few games back that the next time he's wolf, he's winning. He already knows how to wolf well and post well, but this new style where he posts very little would need adapting to, which wouldn't happen until after he's wolf again

[rong]

For the record, my posting less isn't strategic, I just has to adapt to having less time. I almost feel guilty for it.

[wufwugy]

I admit that the way players think about roles and balance outside of a game is different from they way they do it in game.

There were a couple of times, where I felt a bit betrayed over criticism of the roles. How I felt then and what I think about it now are 2 different things. It's just a different perspective, not betrayal, I just want that out there right quick.

I mean, the game was severely favoring the wolves. I was surprised that the players wanted so much wolf-edge in the pre-game thread. I kept thinking, well, it's gonna take some good shots from the guns. Problem is that no one wanted to hold that gun for more than a few seconds, you trigger happy menaces to society.

***
It takes hours to do the write-ups, and it's tedious to do so in a way that doesn't even remotely hint at people's roles. It requires prep work during the days and nights to have a story mostly fleshed out, even though I didn't know for certain who would die in the story.

Is it worth it? (I know that I'm fishing for compliments here. Deal with it as you will.)

It's a brutal thing to have a person who is not a writer do a bit of writing and then present it in a format that demands NO FEEDBACK to the author about the creative writing bits.

I feel like I was a bit abusive of wufwugy, and the misspelling of his name isn't even on that list. (That bit about the burger and fries, though... priceless)

You did a great job, and I'm happy you came out guns blazing with the actualization that it's way too easy for mods to give up info. It really is

I honestly didn't bother analyzing the roles pre-game. The minimalist in me waits until after the roles are relevant in-game to have an opinion

My thought to balance this format is turn bodyguard into full angel, turn role-blocker into strongman, and eliminate the wolfhotshot. This would probably still keep it imba in favor of the wolves, but at least it would make for some very interesting 4v4, 3v3, or even 2v2 stuff, where the hotshots save the day and the wolves have to figure out a unique way of playing to survive endgame and parity scenarios

Also I lol'd lots at the narrative of my gut. There's nothing insulting there. I'm the guy who gets called honorary wolf at least twice a month

wuf was really half-right a lot of times in the game, but they were lost in the noise of all the other things he said. I wanna say his post 69 was his 3rd post and his suspicions were all on wolves or specials.

Yeah the win condition misunderstanding was a disaster

I also sometimes have difficulty telling the difference between wolves and specials. It's not too hard to pickup on behavior changes, but it's hard to know what they mean

I'm not as concerned with balance as others here seem to be. I just like the thrill of the chase.

At least mojo told us straight up it would be imba

I totes am because I has a rep to maintain! Notice how I denigrated the village ability to win the game from the get-go. A piece of my motivation for vocalizing that opinion was because I thought that if I reached endgame, like I normally do, I wouldn't be able to figure it out the way I boast about

But for a wolf to be mvp, he needs to convince people he's villager. You never looked like a villager luco.

It's between dan and jkds for mvp imo, I'd need to see the night chats before deciding how much credit to give jkds.

MVP has to go to a player on the winning team. So it's Rong

Ofc there's also an LVP, which could go to like half the village this time

[wufwugy]

For the record, my posting less isn't strategic, I just has to adapt to having less time. I almost feel guilty for it.

Yeah I know. I'll have to be honest, I thought for sure Baud wouldn't self-lynch if you were a wolf, because I thought that even with your lack of time, you still would have thought there was something you could do. Unless I'm wrong, the time constraints also gives you a different style than you used to have

[wufwugy]

IMO the main reason multiple game days is so important is that the village needs all that time to beat the truth out of those who played like Dhubs and Rong did this game. I think for villages to win, they have to either get Dhubs to do enough to reveal that he shouldn't be lynched, or they have to lynch him. Some villagers just look really wolfy and it has to be dealt with. If there aren't enough game days or if there are too many wolfy villagers, the village loses

Granted we may still never have won this one with Rong as wolf. A few games back I was picking him to win his next wolf game unless he got special'd

[MadMojoMonkey]

Also I lol'd lots at the narrative of my gut. There's nothing insulting there.

Good to know. It's tough when writing comedy that's personal how someone will take it. Even someone with a good sense of humor can get their undies in a bind over some issues.

Yeah the win condition misunderstanding was a disaster

I take some responsibility for not thinking it through in the OP.

Actually, I think we should hire JKDS to write us a bulletproof end-game condition with no loopholes.

That line ong took about, "If my vote is on a VV, then MMM will post to end the game 'cause wolves GTO is to snap lynch." was an epic mod troll.
I was never going to end the game like that, but I had thought my GTO definition was simple and sealed the deal.
Then ong goes all, "My vote is a fact. It has irrefutable game value. This fact is not hidden, so wolves GTO is clear."

What's that thing BID says, FML?

FML

MVP has to go to a player on the winning team. So it's Rong

Is that true?

Anyways, I agree. rong was solid whole game through. I can't see ever voting for him if I was VV in this game.

JKDS was gonna own the wolves if not for the N1 debacle.

[baudib]

wolf MVP -- Hoopy
village MVP -- baudib

[baudib]

or Ong/Rong

[MadMojoMonkey]

I am relieved that no one picked up on my first screw up.

I said I was going to give the wolf-chat a 4 hour head start on the game thread. Then 2 people posted early.
By opening the game early, I was clearly punishing the den.

So either dhubs or baudib or both were wolves.

[wufwugy]

Is that true?

Anyways, I agree. rong was solid whole game through. I can't see ever voting for him if I was VV in this game.

JKDS was gonna own the wolves if not for the N1 debacle.

You know I guess I don't actually know that, but IIRC it always does. It strikes me as a little strange to give "most valuable player" to somebody on a team that lost, since that means he wasn't the most valuable player

[wufwugy]

I am relieved that no one picked up on my first screw up.

I said I was going to give the wolf-chat a 4 hour head start on the game thread. Then 2 people posted early.
By opening the game early, I was clearly punishing the den.

So either dhubs or baudib or both were wolves.

I noticed it and thought about what it means, but I didn't think it meant you were punishing them. I would have done the same thing but not for punishing reasons. But obv I come from a place where I don't think extra den time helps the wolves. I would have just opened the thread for reasons of fairness: mods posted so everybody gets to post, which is what I thought you were doing

[wufwugy]

i lold at "yanks and their guns"

til hoops is a yank

we should play a new game except the only role is keybored is d1 unlimited ammo vig

[OngBonga]

I had no idea if what I was saying about the wincon was true. I was basically bluffing. I knew if baudib was a villager, that a wolf wagon would only mean that baudib was the first to four, but with five villagers left I was aware that we could get a majority. But I couldn't be bothered to figure out what the wincon meant and just made assumptions based on the reaction I wanted.

[MadMojoMonkey]

LOL.

Daven had volunteered to be a sub if needed, and made it perfectly clear that he was gonna shoot wuf in his opening post if he subbed in with a gun, regardless of alignments.

[wufwugy]

We seriously need more Wolfen, I mean Daven

[Luco]

So the mod slips passed largely unnoticed. Modding is close to wolfing in that
- you have perfect info
- you need to measure your words

And in both cases the village dont see as much as you worry they do

[JKDS]

In general, Mods should not talk to living players. Talking to the wolves can give info on specials or influence their actions in other ways. Talking in thread can reveal who are villagers based on who you're willing to joke about, and talking in pms creates weird situations where they end up getting posted accidentally and make ppl look wolfy.

When you must respond, you're supposed to do so in as few words as possible. Often simple yes's or no's. But thats no fun, so fuck it.

[wufwugy]

It's possible that "finding" Luco too early helped lead to ultimate demise. What I'm getting at is that since it was perceived that the village was so solid on lynching Luco after Baud, it meant that smart wolfing by Rong would be to not fight it. But it's through the surprise and the fighting that we could have figured out Rong's role.

At the time I considered trying to convince Key to bold Luco instead of Dhubs, because if any of the two wasn't a wolf I thought it was Dhubs, but I didn't because I didn't feel like "owning" the results and I thought that even if Rong was a wolf instead of Dhubs, it wouldn't matter since Rong would know better than to give anything up since he knew how solid we were on Luco

This is partly why I think after a point, more talking hurts the village. There's a lot of stuff villagers should keep close to the vest so that wolves can't prepare for them. The game could have been much different if, leading into n2, Luco and Rong had no idea what the villagers thought about any other players

[wufwugy]

I'm not the best at original logic. I think that's because I'm good at debate and finding patterns in just about anything. But I am good at piggybacking onto other peoples' good logic. An example would be in a game a long time ago, the second to final day was me Ong Gator Daven Hoopy (IIRC), with Daven as wolf, Ong was depressed, I was solid on Gator being the wolf, Hoopy wasn't solid on anything, but Gator woke up and made a fantastic case for Daven being wolf, which completely changed my tune and then I tried rallying Ong and Hoopy to join, which they did and we lynched Daven for the win.

If it wasn't for Gator and his sick reading skills, we for sure wouldn't have won that day, but also if Gator hadn't presented a strong and clear enough case, nobody would have backed him on it. So in this game, it could be that gatting the soulreaders, Gabe and Gator, made it almost impossible for us to win. I'm not a soulreader, I'm a pattern reader, and that gets me in a lot of trouble since there are always lots of false patterns

[MadMojoMonkey]

In general, Mods should not talk to living players. [...] But thats no fun, so fuck it.

I figured that out pretty early... I hope.

***
Have you heard of train mafia?

I read about it recently and I wondered if there's a better account of the scoring/points system.

I might think about adapting it to WW for a future game, but I'm not making any promises.

[Hoopy]

I don't hate the gator shot. I hate the doobs rescind. I'm gonna vig you for that one day hoopy.

Your vig revenge list is getting pretty large.

Anybody else notice that Hoopy's shot thing? The one where he dropped a reads list post naming all 4 wolfs together in 1 category (unknown), then shot the one person in that category that wasn't a wolf?

anyone?

just me?

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[daven]

Btw, the game shouldn't have ended. There was a time when two noms were submitted which nullified each other.

nah bro, second nom always renders both invalid first one counts, right?

cool game to ghost through. It was supposed to be a soulread game, soulread attempts were made = respect. Shame they didn't turn out so great. Funny, just realised in typing that where my loyalties lie. Village. Interesting to note and know.

Daven had volunteered to be a sub if needed, and made it perfectly clear that he was gonna shoot wuf in his opening post if he subbed in with a gun, regardless of alignments.

true story, although i would have at the very least 'considered' reading the thread first. Actually, nah, wouldn't have.

[Luco]

I think the most amazing thing about this game is that we had three gunners and wuf still made it past page 1

[OngBonga]

Your vig revenge list is getting pretty large.

True.

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MOMO: Despite my annoyance at the late inject of the d1 extension, I still appreciate you modding this game. The narrative stories are epic and made for much entertainment. I always read them. We did a game a bit ago, I think it was Wuf, w/o anything; it was stripped down to "go" and "stop" basically. That was boring. Thanks for your hard work. And I wholly agree that mods shouldn't talk ITT or The Den. Too much potential for missteps and the familiarity breeds contempt. Meaning, you can't BS with the minions and then get uppity when one of them questions something. Also, regarding the Post Counts and Vote Tallys. Personally, I see that as facilitating the Village. I think it makes us lazy and dependent, especially when ppl start barking out VC orders to the mod. Numerous VCs helps reveal wolf actions too. It's each person's responsibility to be involved in a game. But if an overachieving analyst (like myself) wants to share research to aid the village, then that's a good minion. I think an objective answer to VCs is to announce pregame that they'll be provided every so often (6 or 12 hrs), whatever the mod can handle. Finally, the Night Watch thing was interesting. I know it bagged us a special wolf but that was a 1/million "one time" for the ages. Jury is out for me on its overall effectiveness or value.


RONG: Wolf MVPfor laying so low ITT and yet being so involved in The Den. Having never seen you participate much in games, I was shocked to see you posting so much in The Den. I just thought you were a low key dude. I think your contributions were perfectly aimed. Alas, towards the end it was obv you weren't trying to hunt. Also, I would have enjoyed seeing you duke it out solo if we'd got Luco.

ONG: Vill MVP. You ruled the village exactly when we needed it and basically sacrificed yourself in doing so. We should have lynched Luco according to your death rattle. I think I was onto Rong enough to have sniffed him out if he'd have been all alone. That is, if Dhuber had ever made a peep.

BID: Fail for not spewing the gun. But it's a fine line cuz I had that exact paranoia. I didn't wanna go down w/o a fight in a high carnage game like this. But firing too soon and wrongly is nearly as bad as not using it. So this debate shall live on. Oh, and that N1 chat was by far the funniest shit ever in my WW life. Thanks for that!

JKDS: Out-fucking-standing bitch slapping of BID in the NW. I wish you'd have lived longer but getting that NW was awesome.

WUF: Fuck dude, I honestly don't know where your mind is most of the time. I have to use other ppl's reads on you to get a feel. Good if your a wolf but it fucks with the villagers I think. Not criticizing cuz I don't believe in dampening one's artistic creativity but I just don't have the spidey-sense to pick up your vibes.

BAUDIB: Nice job as wolf. I think if Ong hadn't targeted you that you'd have gone further. But super fail on the RB. The whole den messed that one up. Also, I'd never seen a wolf self-lynch tactic so that was quite the learning experience for me. Finally, stepping on the locked thread is unsat.

DHUBER: Too bad you couldn't play. It def affected outcome. Shoulda considered asking for a sub.

GABE: Sorry to have shortened your game like that. I just felt your V game last time to this game was a tell. Twas my first special role, so I learned some valuable lessons. Classic post, tho, popping up after death.

LUCO: Your early game shenanigans became an easy read for me later on. But your overall strength gave me reason to hold off the lynch vote until I was positive. I think my premature loosening of the HS blast made me gun shy and affected my targeting of you. I def learned a lot watching your W game tho.

KEITH: The rando HS plan was money! Them wolves was shitting in the den. My prob with it was when someone mentioned it as a "loophole" in the game. I don't like exploitation and would much rather give the Mod the game he envisioned. I think if it hadn't been labeled as a workaround, I would have bought in. I def learned a lot about your motives/tactics from your W game last and your V game this time. Lastly, your 5th nail in Dhuber's coffin was classic. Dhubs owes you one for that.

GATOR: You obv weren't into this game early on. And after it was revealed you were locked up with Baudib in another game, I wasn't interested in what you had to contribute. I felt it was poor form to mention ITT that you two were having to limit yourselves in any way. That shoulda been left out, imo. Play all you want but don't tell one game or the other that you're compromised cuz of it.

HOOPY: Dude! I won't kick the dead horse. You should have learned a lot this game tho. Thx for the entertainment.

Fun game everyone!
Happy Holidays!!