Some random 200NL hands

[johnny_fish]

I'm not running really well at 200NL, so I'd appreciate some comments on a couple of hands..

(1) Easy turn fold right? For some reason QJ/KQ went through my head, very -EV mistake

** Game ID 667896005 starting - 2006-01-31 04:16:27
** Black Angel [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- TOX1C sitting in seat 1 with $196.00
- HOLDEMKING30 sitting in seat 2 with $143.00
- Zinko88 sitting in seat 3 with $158.47
- dinoucla sitting in seat 4 with $191.90
- dawsoncuts sitting in seat 5 with $27.81
- NewDog sitting in seat 6 with $171.73 [Dealer]
- TheRobfather sitting in seat 7 with $343.85
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 8 with $194.35
- stfu_donny sitting in seat 9 with $147.00
- Gandalf2000 sitting in seat 10 with $98.00

TheRobfather posted the small blind - $1.00
johnny291281 posted the big blind - $2.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Queen of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
stfu_donny folded
Gandalf2000 folded
TOX1C folded
HOLDEMKING30 called - $2.00
Zinko88 folded
dinoucla folded
dawsoncuts folded
NewDog called - $2.00
TheRobfather called - $2.00
johnny291281 bet - $10.00
HOLDEMKING30 folded
NewDog called - $10.00
TheRobfather folded

** Dealing the flop: 3 of Hearts, 7 of Clubs, Queen of Spades
johnny291281 bet - $16.00
NewDog called - $16.00

** Dealing the turn: Jack of Hearts
johnny291281 bet - $30.00
NewDog raised - $60.00
johnny291281 called - $60.00

** Dealing the river: 7 of Diamonds
johnny291281 checked
NewDog went all-in - $85.73
johnny291281 called - $85.73

(2) Raise turn? Is there any way to call the river?

** Game ID 667870929 starting - 2006-01-31 03:39:33
** Black Angel [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- GhostmanGB sitting in seat 1 with $91.00
- HOLDEMKING30 sitting in seat 2 with $159.00
- Zinko88 sitting in seat 3 with $190.57
- dinoucla sitting in seat 4 with $204.65
- dawsoncuts sitting in seat 5 with $99.63
- NewDog sitting in seat 6 with $178.93 [Dealer]
- TheRobfather sitting in seat 7 with $232.40
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 8 with $226.00
- nseavaly sitting in seat 9 with $128.90
- master022877 sitting in seat 10 with $47.75

TheRobfather posted the small blind - $1.00
johnny291281 posted the big blind - $2.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Queen of Diamonds, King of Spades
nseavaly called - $2.00
master022877 folded
GhostmanGB folded
HOLDEMKING30 called - $2.00
Zinko88 folded
dinoucla folded
dawsoncuts folded
NewDog folded
TheRobfather called - $2.00
johnny291281 checked

** Dealing the flop: 6 of Clubs, Queen of Clubs, 10 of Hearts
TheRobfather bet - $6.00
johnny291281 raised - $15.00
nseavaly folded
HOLDEMKING30 folded
TheRobfather called - $15.00

** Dealing the turn: King of Diamonds
TheRobfather bet - $34.00
johnny291281 called - $34.00

** Dealing the river: 7 of Spades
TheRobfather went all-in - $182.40
johnny291281 folded
TheRobfather mucks:
TheRobfather wins $285.40 from the main pot

End of game 667870929

(3) Trips TK no good?

** Game ID 667844929 starting - 2006-01-31 03:06:09
** Black Angel [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Shadows977 sitting in seat 1 with $25.25 [Dealer]
- DreamRose311 sitting in seat 2 with $18.00
- Zinko88 sitting in seat 3 with $219.52
- juicyju sitting in seat 4 with $205.20
- dawsoncuts sitting in seat 5 with $106.58
- NewDog sitting in seat 6 with $118.68
- TheRobfather sitting in seat 7 with $155.80
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 8 with $197.15
- nseavaly sitting in seat 9 with $118.35
- master022877 sitting in seat 10 with $34.00

DreamRose311 posted the small blind - $1.00
Zinko88 posted the big blind - $2.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Jack of Hearts, Ace of Hearts
juicyju called - $2.00
dawsoncuts called - $2.00
NewDog folded
TheRobfather folded
johnny291281 called - $2.00
nseavaly folded
master022877 folded
Shadows977 folded
DreamRose311 folded
Zinko88 checked

** Dealing the flop: Jack of Clubs, 10 of Clubs, Jack of Spades
Zinko88 checked
juicyju checked
dawsoncuts checked
johnny291281 bet - $7.00
Zinko88 folded
juicyju folded
dawsoncuts raised - $14.00
johnny291281 called - $14.00

** Dealing the turn: King of Spades
dawsoncuts went all-in - $90.58
johnny291281 called - $90.58

End of game 667844929

(4) Bet turn? Fold river? How's this line?

** Game ID 666456441 starting - 2006-01-30 00:48:11
** Brown Sugar [Hold 'em] (1.50|3.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- MsDeal sitting in seat 1 with $289.50
- docdocdoc sitting in seat 2 with $0.00 [Sitting out]
- KenRetaard sitting in seat 3 with $283.50
- kovamasen sitting in seat 4 with $570.66
- sregvergvwer sitting in seat 5 with $0.00 [Sitting out]
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 6 with $281.65
- discomforted sitting in seat 7 with $517.17
- Snatcha sitting in seat 8 with $479.15 [Dealer]
- Zinko88 sitting in seat 9 with $234.60
- cartmanland sitting in seat 10 with $99.45

Zinko88 posted the small blind - $1.50
cartmanland posted the big blind - $3.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Queen of Hearts, Ace of Hearts
MsDeal called - $3.00
KenRetaard called - $3.00
kovamasen called - $3.00
johnny291281 raised - $15.00
discomforted folded
Snatcha folded
Zinko88 folded
cartmanland folded
MsDeal folded
KenRetaard called - $15.00
kovamasen folded

** Dealing the flop: 3 of Clubs, Queen of Diamonds, 8 of Diamonds
KenRetaard checked
johnny291281 bet - $30.00
KenRetaard called - $30.00

** Dealing the turn: 3 of Diamonds
KenRetaard checked
johnny291281 checked

** Dealing the river: 8 of Spades
KenRetaard bet - $48.00
johnny291281 called - $48.00

(5) Standard right? Villains showed some very surprising hands

** Game ID 666303040 starting - 2006-01-29 22:56:49
** Black Angel [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- ECPoker24 sitting in seat 1 with $38.40
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 2 with $277.81
- NewDog sitting in seat 3 with $216.50 [Dealer]
- 1bruce sitting in seat 4 with $192.50
- SkyBlue sitting in seat 5 with $173.79
- cartmanland sitting in seat 6 with $157.20
- tunih sitting in seat 7 with $156.95
- Loulu sitting in seat 8 with $317.05 [Sitting out]
- Gandalf2000 sitting in seat 9 with $86.85
- cG_ sitting in seat 10 with $200.00 [Sitting out]

1bruce posted the small blind - $1.00
SkyBlue posted the big blind - $2.00
** Dealing card to johnny291281: Queen of Hearts, Ace of Hearts
cartmanland folded
tunih folded
Gandalf2000 folded
ECPoker24 called - $2.00
johnny291281 raised - $8.00
NewDog folded
1bruce folded
SkyBlue called - $8.00
ECPoker24 called - $8.00

** Dealing the flop: 2 of Clubs, 2 of Spades, Queen of Clubs
SkyBlue bet - $14.00
ECPoker24 went all-in - $30.40
johnny291281 raised - $46.80
SkyBlue went all-in - $153.79
johnny291281 folded

(6) I like to gamble with short stacks..

** Game ID 667824099 starting - 2006-01-31 02:42:32
** Can I Get a Witness? [Hold 'em] (1.50|3.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Smallguy22 sitting in seat 1 with $154.50
- johnny291281 sitting in seat 2 with $307.95
- FishySmell sitting in seat 3 with $281.55
- _OVITCH_ sitting in seat 4 with $291.30
- WeezerMoo sitting in seat 5 with $25.50 [Dealer]
- drm9 sitting in seat 7 with $54.65
- Snatcha sitting in seat 8 with $279.00
- sweatyslick sitting in seat 9 with $46.86
- NHB sitting in seat 10 with $186.00

drm9 posted the small blind - $1.50
Snatcha posted the big blind - $3.00

** Dealing card to johnny291281: Ace of Spades, King of Clubs
sweatyslick raised - $12.00
NHB folded
Smallguy22 called - $12.00
johnny291281 raised - $35.00
FishySmell folded
_OVITCH_ folded
WeezerMoo folded
drm9 folded
Snatcha folded
sweatyslick went all-in - $34.86
Smallguy22 called - $46.86
johnny291281 called - $46.86

** Dealing the flop: Jack of Clubs, 6 of Clubs, 5 of Clubs
Smallguy22 checked
johnny291281 bet - $198.00
Smallguy22 folded

[Irisheyes]

1) Yep, fold turn
2) I like it, I don't think he pushes this river with hands you can beat. Raising the turn is expensive.
3) Unraised pot I call.
4) Its HU so I bet the turn. Give it $40. As played call river.
5) Do you think SkyBlues first bet is a semibluff?

[finky]

1) Probably dump the turn,your not really ahead of much. If he's not a maniac I think he's got a set.

2) I'd raise the turn, theres a strong posibility of a straight draw(If he's not there already) and I think you need to find out where your at.

3)Fine, I'd play that all day long, esp. against a relative short stack

4)Again I think thats fine, you limited the damage by checking the turn and could easily provoke a bluff from an aggressive player.

5)How loose are they? Do they do that with draws? Have you seen them getting cute with AA? The fact that he's willing to push into a almost dry side pot indicates a real hand, but without a real read its hard to tell.

6)I like it, your still a favorite over a lot of his potential holding and if its going in anyway you might as well do the raising.

Did you have reads for these players? One thing with a lot of these hands is you have been put at a tough, marginal decisions where some kind of read can make the difference between + and -EV. 200NL players tend to be much more aggressive and hard decisions come more frequently.

This is on Prima right? I played there quite a bit. Are you running PT and PA HUD, it can really help with the thought process as well as letting you data-mine which really helps table selection.

[johnny_fish]

Thanks for the replies.

(1) Of course he showed 33. A bit of overthinking/wishful thinking ('he can't have 77 now'; 'I counterfeited QJ now.' etc)

(2) He either has KQ (not very likely), or he bet his set at the flop (but why no reraise then?), or he semi-bluffed J9/98 (very likely). Don't think reraising the turn is optimal here.

(3) Does anyone not pay off TT/JT/KJ here? He showed JT, I split with runner-runner Kings

(4) I actually think this was the perfect play.. I'm losing 1 bet to a set/flush anyway, so this maximizes my profit against lesser hands. Results: Villain showed 22.

(5) Villains showed AA & KK. Wanted the first player out with KQ/QJ/flushdraw.

(6) Shorty had AcKs :P

[nutsinho]

3 is hard to fold but realize that you only beat a bluff........QJs probably isnt that confident


got to lay it doooooown

[bdawg56kg]

My thoughts (I'll try not to be results oriented).

1) Preflop and flop are good. I would check that turn though. He's not calling your flop bet with a draw, so he's either got you crushed or is setting up for a bluff. Try to go for a cheap showdown, otherwise fold.

2) I think you played it fine, although another alternative might be to just call the flop bet and then raise the turn. If he 3-bets you there, then easy fold. As played it's tough but I'd fold that river w/o a specific read.

3) Sucks, but I fold to the push without a read. All you beat is a bluff here.

4) Perfect.

5) Cry and fold. Only hand you stand a chance against is A K

6) Goot, although I'd be really tempted to shove once the action gets back to you for the last time. Smallguy only has $100 more, so it puts you in a tough spot it you miss the flop and he bets out.