10/20 weird OOP lines, once again..

[Pingviini]

I post these weird lines because they are, umm, weird. standard hands are standard and not worth discussing that often.

Opponent is a solid regular who doesnt make that many moves, he does take 2/3 pot stabs on the flop quite often when nobody else seems interested.He probably views me as tricky LAG who often times spews and perhaps bluffs a tad bit too much. What could I possibly have here? And my opponent (I dont know that either)

Hand #425425260 at table: Table TH 474
Started: Wed Sep 27 22:30:50 2006

Egholmi is at seat 1 with 3553.50
PingZen is at seat 2 with 4308.00
DieHerren is at seat 3 with 2161.00
CALLMEPLZ is at seat 4 with 1417.00
Karolidis is at seat 5 with 1970.00

Egholmi posts the large blind 20.00
Karolidis posts the small blind 10.00

Karolidis: --, --
Egholmi: --, --
PingZen: Two cards
DieHerren: --, --
CALLMEPLZ: --, --

Pre-flop:

PingZen: Raise 60.00
DieHerren: Call 60.00
CALLMEPLZ: Fold
Karolidis: Fold
Egholmi: Fold

Flop (Board: 3h, Ad, 4d):

PingZen: Check
DieHerren: Bet 100.00
PingZen: Raise 340.00
DieHerren: Call 340.00

Turn (Board: 3h, Ad, 4d, 5d):

PingZen: Check
DieHerren: Bet 480.00
PingZen: Call 480.00

River (Board: 3h, Ad, 4d, 5d, 8h):

PingZen: Bet 640.00
DieHerren: Call 640.00

Showdown:

PingZen shows ??

#2
This happened perhaps 15 minutes after the first one. Same villain, same table.

Hand #425434860 at table: Table TH 474
Started: Wed Sep 27 22:42:27 2006

Egholmi is at seat 1 with 5761.50
PingZen is at seat 2 with 6309.00
DieHerren is at seat 3 with 2047.00
CALLMEPLZ is at seat 4 with 1051.00
Karolidis is at seat 5 with 2211.00

Egholmi posts the large blind 20.00
Karolidis posts the small blind 10.00

Karolidis: --, --
Egholmi: --, --
PingZen: two cards
DieHerren: --, --
CALLMEPLZ: --, --

Pre-flop:

PingZen: Raise 80.00
DieHerren: Call 80.00
CALLMEPLZ: Call 80.00
Karolidis: Call 80.00
Egholmi: Call 80.00

Flop (Board: 5h, 2s, 2d):

Karolidis: Check
Egholmi: Check
PingZen: Check
DieHerren: Bet 220.00
CALLMEPLZ: Fold
Karolidis: Fold
Egholmi: Fold
PingZen: Raise 660.00
DieHerren: All in
PingZen: Call 1967.00

Turn (Board: 5h, 2s, 2d, 10c):


River (Board: 5h, 2s, 2d, 10c, Kh):

[midas06]

I'm not qualified to answer any of this stuff, but

Pre-flop:

PingZen: Raise 80.00
DieHerren: Call 80.00
CALLMEPLZ: Call 80.00
Karolidis: Call 80.00
Egholmi: Call 80.00

is awesome

[Pingviini]

Happens once in blue moon, 2/3 times get blinds.

[AHiltz]

Hand 1. Suited connector/gapper. 6 through J of diamonds. You don't raise the turn cause you don't want it to be obvious you hit a flush and want to make a bet on river to get more out of opp.

Hand 2. 99+. I don't see you calling a shove with Axs since there's only backdoor flush draws. Could be A5 though. 5% of the time you have 43s

[Ravageur]

I don't have any good input, but I'm super curious what you guys both had. Post results soon!

[gabe]

on the first hand you have at least AK, but not the flush. maybe something like AxKd, A5s, or set, all of which is blocking the river.

hand 2 you should have AA-KK, sometimes QQ.

[Pingviini]

#1 I had KdTd. He had been taking a lot of stabs at the pots and I wanted to CR him here for meta-game and deception purposes. When the flush hit I thought that betting would be too obvious and that he couldnt continue with a monster.

#2 AA, again he had been stabbing and perhaps tilting a bit and I was hoping that somebody would try to make a move on him. after all, I had the relative position on him. He had A4 and propably put me on medium pocket pair that couldt take the heat, he also had 7 outs against anything else besides AA, boat or quads (and 43).

[gabe]

i think the goofy line with KTd cost your money. i also think you should have bet more on river with the practical nuts.

[Pingviini]

Want to be more precise? what is his hand range? how would he perceive me?

[gabe]

i think these alternatives lines are good against regulars once in a while, like 1/10 of the time maybe. i would only use these non standard lines against someone i know is very aggressive. your description of him just sounds like a standard TAG, not necessarily someone you can count on putting his stack in as a bluff whenever you manipulate him into doing so.