need a calling range 400nl

[Deanglow]

Villain is unknown, bought in short, no avatar, limped sb = donk
Consider I raise any 2 here

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($609)
MP1 ($1225.80)
MP2 ($690.15)
CO ($1109.75)
Button ($647)
SB ($424.90)
Hero (BB) ($621)
UTG ($521.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with
6 folds, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $18

Flop: ($48) 2, J, 3 (2 players)
SB bets $400.90 (All-In), Hero

[daven]

i fold aj here, if that helps any

[Stacks]

Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.

[daven]

Well we need 47% equity to have a BE call here. Him being unknown I'm not sure what his jamming range is (ldo), but if he is shoving 22, 33, JJ+, AK, AJ, KJ and nothing else then we can call with AJ. But I'm unsure how accurate that range is. I wouldn't consider calling any lighter than AJ.

sb doesn't have ak here much.
My stab at villain's range:
22, 33, 99, TT, JJ+, AJ, KJs, and a little bit of ATC - but not enough to matter in this spot...

[Stacks]

True.. AK is a stretch.. I got too caught up in him being a total retard and just threw something in there that would be behind AJ, but have some equity.

[bigspenda73]

JJ

[daven]

JJ

33?

[bigspenda73]

JJ

33?

yea 33 as well

[nutsinho]

whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.

[Parasurama]

I don't think I would fold AJ either, what's the worst hand you would call with nutsinho?

[bigspenda73]

fucking stations

[bigspenda73]

JJ

33?

yea 33 as well

just remembered why I didn't include 33 was b/c I doubt dean raises it PF here

[will641]

whoa sick nits in this thread. i wouldnt even consider folding AJ for one second.

haha, i was going to say AJ+ for sure but then all these people were like sets only got me thinking twice.

[gametight]

i NEVER fold aj here, if that helps any

[bikes]

AJ is a call for me. KJ might be a lil closer but I probably still call.

[Deanglow]

I raise any 2 against a 70bb stack in the big blind, which is party why this is tough....

[bigspenda73]

ooh I'm going to expand my range b/c I thought this was 2/4

I'm now not folding sets/JJ+

[bigred]

No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.

[nutsinho]

my friend (who is a top notch player) and i each independently came up with JT or better. I wouldnt call you a nit if you stuck with QJ or better though...

[BankItDrew]

J4+

this is a shorty donk with no avatar
ship it

[Deanglow]

well i had j4o

[bigred]

J4+

this is a shorty donk with no avatar
ship it

well i had j4o

OMG the bots can read minds. Head for the hills!

[DoanDiggy]

J4+

So J4 but not J2 or J3? Shouldn't that just be Jx?

[nutsinho]

Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.

[bigred]

Please note that J2 and J3 have made two pair.

Noted.


I'm hoping the bot understood that and that's why he said J4, assuming two pair was instacall.

[nutsinho]

im pretty sure it was able to process that information

[stickonadog]

No one thinks SB wouldn't do this with 99 or TT? I've seen this before.

This. On first read through of the hand i was thinking SB had 99/TT.

That a big bet to call with J4o especially on an unknown.

I fold.

[DoanDiggy]

Could this possibly be 54s to spades, hearts, or diamonds?

Hmm, doesn't seem to matter:

Board: 2s 3d Jh
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	28.504%  	25.12% 	03.39% 	        231023 	    31134.00   { J4o }
Hand 1: 	71.496%  	68.11% 	03.39% 	        626419 	    31134.00   { 99+, 33-22, AJs, KJs, QJs, J2s+, 5d4d, 5h4h, 5s4s, AJo, KJo, QJo, J7o+ }

Against that range for villain, we need at least JTs with the backdoor flush draw or QJo:

Hand 0: 	45.318%  	40.59% 	04.72% 	        360495 	    41946.00   { JTo }

Hand 0: 	47.885%  	43.38% 	04.51% 	         42942 	     4464.00   { JdTd }

Hand 0: 	52.999%  	48.64% 	04.35% 	        431979 	    38670.00   { QJo }

[AFchung]

22, 33, JJ, AA, J4, J3

[bigred]

im pretty sure it was able to process that information

imo

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

[mcatdog]

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.

(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.)

[nutsinho]

sounds like I need to move up to 400NL where they call my value shoves

Please go to 400NL, limp-call from the SB and open-shove the flop if you flop a monster, and then report on how well it works out for you.

(Any time you flop a monster, you're going to make a lot of money on average. The fact that this shove would get paid off by KJ doesn't actually prove anything.)

qft