2nl 6max - Ah5h vs aggro opponent in limped pot

[Dex]

Today was my first session playing poker in 3 months or so, and this is a hand I wasn't sure about.

I'm 27/21 this session, although 32/18 on villain's table.

Villain was aggro, 37/31/5.5(agg) with a 25% 3bet over 32 hands. I didn't realise until I did a session review that I've played with villain before, and over the 144 hands before July when we played last they were 19/10/1.5 with a 6.3% 3bet.

Villain 3bet me 3 times during the session, first time I raised AA over a limp, I flat and then c/r villain's 2/3 cbet on 6h 2c 9d and they folded. I then opened AdQd and flatted his 3bet ip behind a fish call, and folded to their cbet+call on 9d 4s 8h. The third time I iso'd a fish with KJo, flatted their cbet, turn checked through and I led river 2/3 pot only to get a fold on 4c Kd Kh Jd Jh. I note these purely for the background with the villain (I appear to have the upper hand) and not necessarily for any direct relevance to a limped pot.

There was also another hand where villain 3bet Ts7s vs a fish UTG open and raised donkbet/called shove on Tc 9c 8d for 100bb.

I'm 4-tabling and taking notes but haven't seen villain do anything in a limped pot.

My opinion of villain is that they are likely harming their own winrate by playing too loose and too aggro, particularly at these stakes. I also think their standard 4x open across all positions is a leak with their style.

Based on villain's 3betting I flat Ah5h in the sb so I can play a pot with the open limping fish (73/36/inf over 11 hands this session, 42/20/2.7 over 82 total). I think the flop and turn are much more interesting than the river. Should I give up on the flop or turn and wait for a better spot or follow my read on their image?

I should definitely have potted the flop. I think the flop is interesting because they raised 5x before the fish could act. I was a little slower to call turn than flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop |

UTG ($8.68)
MP ($2.18)
CO ($4.29)
Button ($1.19)
Hero (SB) ($3.92)
Villain (BB) ($9.99)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 5
3 folds, Button calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, Villain checks

Flop: ($0.06) 5, 6, 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.04, Villain raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.46) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.32, Hero calls $0.32

River: ($1.10) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $1, Hero?

[dneureiter]

I am really confused about what really changes throughout the hand postflop rangewise. Unless he is raising the flop big with fish to act with a 3 then if we were ahead on the flop we are ahead on the river, basically the best cards we could wish for. I think we should usually just fold flop but if I thought I was ahead given his range and he is capable of barreling then I would call down all 3 streets. Tons of draws missed too, any 4, 87, diamonds, etc. flopped straights also got counterfeited more or less and he might turn those into a bluff.

Also why are we betting oop on the flop. Is it for value? Aggrofish is going to make second pair hard to play in a bigger pot on future streets. What about just c/c since he is usually betting?

^^ take all that with a grain of salt

[thelorax]

I dont really like leading flops vs aggrotards unless Im trying to get them to spazz/protecting a big hand on wet flops.. with the mediocre strength of your hand/no real draws you dont want to deal with him spazzing (raising).

I prob c/c the flop and c/f the turn if he barrels again.

as played fold flop. fold turn. fold river.

[Donachello]

fold the flop

[Dex]

Thanks for the responses!

Firstly, I don't think villain is an aggro tard. I posted two sets of stats, one up until July and one from today's session. The latter is limited to 32 hands, but he is more aggressive and his pf stats are closer together. I think they are trying to open up and have over-compensated. They aren't good, but I think they're trying to be. I haven't looked at their positional stats but I bet they are messier than they should be.

Secondly, I think c/f is better than c/c and losing initiative. My intention isn't to bet into the aggro villain, even if that's the result, I'm playing my equity and betting for value vs the fish who will have second best hands, draws, overs etc. That's why I limped. If a 37/31 doesn't iso my oop limp and the fish PF, just how weak is his range here? If villain didn't raise pf, for me he's a secondary concern. But then he raises the flop...

Just what exactly is he checking pf, raising the flop 5x and blowing the fish out of the hand with?

On the flop villain can crush me with bb specials, of which 3x is increasingly discounted as the hand progresses. So he has flopped straights, 76, 65 etc. An aggro villain could have semi-bluffs like 54, maybe stuff like A4, and diamond overs, pair+flush draw and combo draws. He could also just have trash and be clicking buttons.

On the turn it's hard to imagine an aggro villain pot controlling much of the above. So if I'm calling the flop, I should call the turn? And then the river as dneureiter mentioned everything either missed or got outdrawn apart from 6x.

[Carroters]

fold the flop

^

[HarleyGuy13]

Fold flop period. Nothing about this leads me to believe villain has second best at all!

[Dex]

As well as my thoughts above, why is villain firing the river so big when my range must be very weak to limp behind the sb and not iso the fish, bet 4c into 6c & not reraise, c/c turn and then check river? What is that bet size achieving if there is hardly anything in my range to get value against? Is villain never putting pressure on me if he thinks my range is draws and hands like 5x, 4x inc 44, 22 etc?

I appreciate that this is normally a standard fold on the flop, but is there any discussion to be had about my thought process?

[Carroters]

As well as my thoughts above, why is villain firing the river so big when my range must be very weak to limp behind the sb and not iso the fish, bet 4c into 6c & not reraise, c/c turn and then check river? What is that bet size achieving if there is hardly anything in my range to get value against? Is villain never putting pressure on me if he thinks my range is draws and hands like 5x, 4x inc 44, 22 etc?

I appreciate that this is normally a standard fold on the flop, but is there any discussion to be had about my thought process?

It's a really terrible mistake to assume some random shitty fish at this limit is thinking like this at all. People are clicking buttons and putting very minimal thought into things. There's no way in hell he is thinking about your range in the first place never mind about how to adjust to it.

I highly doubt he is just 5xing this lead in a tiny limped pot wioth total air unless you have a read that this is what he does and have actually seen him bluff massive sizes like this for no apparent reason in the past in tiny pots he has no real investment in.

His range is basically going to be draws which have like 50% equity vs you and sets, 2 pair etc, overpairs occassionally. Note the board ran out fucking amazingly for you in this hand, most of the time it will run out horribly, you have to fold on any flush card and loads of overcards will put you into a terrible spot where you're confused to his bluffing frequnecies and making mistakes in a hand where your equity vs your villains range sucked balls on the flop, and hence you shouldn't even be seeing a turn anyway.

As played I don't hate calling down at all because the board runs out to vastly reduce his value combos and wieghts his range a lot towadrs busto draws. You need to fold this flop though because again, your equity sucks and you're going to be out of position and lost onmany turns, making mistakes where villain will at least have decent equity and at most have you crushed.

People don't do this with complete air at all for this sizing in a limped multiway pot, unless you've identified them as totally insane, and your reads on villain are simply that he's aggro not erratically mental.

And yeah don't assume villain is thinking anything along the lines of "my opponent's range is weak therefore I must bet small" That is a rediculous assumption to make vs this tard, and will just lead to you owning yourself repeatadly. The reason you call the river is that your equity is good enough due to villain having few value combos and being wiehgted towards missed draws, it has nothing to do with some thought process he almost certainly isn't capable of.

[Dex]

Carroters, that's a brilliant response and the kind of reason I keep reading FTR. Thanks for taking the time to post that.

[Carroters]

No sweat bra.