3b JJ, facing flop c-raise from unknown

[daven]

mp opener is bad kinda nit and has 22-88 here about 100% of the time when he minopens
villain in the bb is absolute unknown, first hand ever against me
soup standard?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($20.66)
BB ($20)
UTG ($25.42)
UTG+1 ($26.14)
MP1 ($29.13)
MP2 ($79.57)
CO ($25.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.30, 1 fold, BB calls $2.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.20) 8, 7, 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB raises to $9, Hero raises to $22.70 (All-In),

[surviva316]

I know everyone's gonna hate this answer because omg vulnerable hand get it in or fold! But I would flat here. It is very obvious what cards we don't like (except for Js, which we block half of and gives us redraw outs anyway, and A is a bit of a sigh), and we can get away from those 12 cards while rarely making a mistake. Sure, we lose the chance at his extra $13.70 on any turn T or higher, but the fact that 1) He gets the money in much more on a safe turn then he does to a 3b shove (in itself makes up for much of the value lost on broadways), 2) we save ourselves half our stack on a bad turn, and 3) we get the money with 8%-ish more equity, which translates into a lot of eV.

[Carroters]

I'm assuming villain is a fish based on non full stack and cold call of 3-bet. That's enough info to make him something more than an unknown imo. I'd be surprised to see anyone who raises 99-TT A8s etc here fold to a flop jam so think that if we're planning on not folding then flop is the place to get the rest in. 6, T, 9, Q, K, A turns happen frequently and defo hurt us by either improving him (yet it's still a guessing game when he ships, with this much already invested folding is bleh on many of these) or by making him reluctant to stack off with worse. I play the same but I'm not thrilled about it, nevertheless given villain is likely bad I'm not folding JJ here, this is the worst hand I'd felt though.

[Micro2Macro]

raising over the top here is bad, u either need to flat or fold

[TNreg]

Surviva, I really like how you explain things in some of the recent topics in here (haven't read much deeper than that). It's obvious you're thinking on an entirely different level than I am about this game.

[WeldPhaser]

Surviva, I really like how you explain things in some of the recent topics in here (haven't read much deeper than that). It's obvious you're thinking on an entirely different level than I am about this game.

A humbling thought if there ever was one.

on the hand, i played something sort of, kind of similar this morn. I'll post it. after surviva, carrot, and m2m, my advice is bleh...

[surviva316]

Surviva, I really like how you explain things in some of the recent topics in here (haven't read much deeper than that). It's obvious you're thinking on an entirely different level than I am about this game.

Unfortunately, I'm not necessarily right a whole lot.

[TNreg]

Unfortunately, I'm not necessarily right a whole lot.

LOL. That's alright. It's thought provoking at the very least.