Flopped 2 pair and now I wanna fold

[BorisTheSpider]

Just kidding, you all know I don't have a fold button.

In any case, this seems a wierd spot. BB is 23/16 with 13% 3bet, fairly normal looking postflop AF numbers so I suspect the high 3bet might just be a heater. He's short too, and his vpip/pfr don't look fishy, so he could just be an agro shorty who doesn't go nuts postflop.

On this flop, the raise could be mid-size overpair, but he doesn't seem too worried about the ace turning.

As it is (stacks), I don't see how I can possibly fold the river - if he has a 3 here, good for him. The same goes for a set - unless I'm folding the turn, I can't call then fold the river to a half pot shove.

However, I'm interested to know what you do if we're deeper - say he has a pot sized shove left and sticks it in on the river.

Also, once the ace turns and he continues betting, given that a flop overpair now seems less likely and we have to weight him more towards sets, are you just folding the turn?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $4.60 (46 bb)
SB: $5.35 (53.5 bb)
BB: $5.26 (52.6 bb)
UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $4.85 (48.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $24.47 (244.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 6 5 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.05) A (2 players)
BB bets $1.45, Hero calls $1.45

River: ($4.95) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $2.81 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.81

[kickass]

Id guess 78s was his most likely hand then 22. Id prolly fold the river as played. Id 3b flop almost always.

[OngBonga]

Why are we minraising pre? Do we expect to get lots of folds from the bb when he's 23/16?

In my experience, stacking off on flop with 2pr against competent villains is not as good an idea as it seems at the time. You seem to think he's competent post flop.

Yay 2pr weeeeee... holy fuck he has a set... that's usually the story.

I think I 3b/f flop if I'm on top of my game, but stacking this flop vs a set is something I can easily do, especially if I'm multitabling and paying less attention.

[BorisTheSpider]

Why are we minraising pre? Do we expect to get lots of folds from the bb when he's 23/16?

I normally 3x the CO but I've been experimenting with minraising it. Whether the blinds flat or 3bet, we end up IP with more behind, and it hampers a loose 3betting buttons strategy.

[griffey24]

If you're stealing a lot on the btn, min raising the btn seems fine. The sizing just has to fit into your overall game plan.

As for the hand. If i'm not b/3b the flop it's because I wanna keep in his bs hands. So as played, I'm not calling the c/r with the intention of folding anywhere.

I probably b/3b flop, but that's because I would often b/3b if I thought villain was FoS as well.

[OngBonga]

I just don't see the point of minraising a hand like this if we're not expecting bb to fold often enough. I don't expect we're raising hoping bb calls and we hit a miracle flop. Maybe we want to take down a raised pot on the flop, which we will do reasonably frequently. But I'd sooner just take down the blinds. I don't mind opening 56s in lp, but we definitely want the button to fold, and that happens more often when we x3.

I think I've just had it drummed into me that we raise more at lower stakes because people don't like to fold. A lot of people will call literally any two from the bb when we minraise. That's great when we're raising value hands, but not so great when we're in a shitty spot post flop with 6 high when villain's range is ridiculously wide, especially if the button decides his hand is good enough for a x2, which he might well do if he sees the bb calling a lot of minraises.

[The Bean Counter]

Ship the flop before a scare card comes to his 88-TT. There's a decent chance this dude 3bets 22 and even if not, we're worried about so few combos that might take this line that I just get it in.

[engerngrisecy]

A clean fast is better than a dirty breakfast. atroliocaralo

[abelardx]

I like it and I'd probably call a psb on the river too. I think he has big aces here a lot.

[griffey24]

I just don't see the point of minraising a hand like this if we're not expecting bb to fold often enough. I don't expect we're raising hoping bb calls and we hit a miracle flop. Maybe we want to take down a raised pot on the flop, which we will do reasonably frequently. But I'd sooner just take down the blinds. I don't mind opening 56s in lp, but we definitely want the button to fold, and that happens more often when we x3.

I think I've just had it drummed into me that we raise more at lower stakes because people don't like to fold. A lot of people will call literally any two from the bb when we minraise. That's great when we're raising value hands, but not so great when we're in a shitty spot post flop with 6 high when villain's range is ridiculously wide, especially if the button decides his hand is good enough for a x2, which he might well do if he sees the bb calling a lot of minraises.

See my post in the flop stab multi-way thread. It's possible I'm off in my percent defended estimates, I haven't played these stakes in a long while but I think my estimates were reasonable.