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    Default Set facing turn 2bet shove on str8 draw board

    Sorry, could somebody convert my hand. I can't post with URL bbcode yet.

    Villain is 22/8 over 84. I have him labelled as loose passive based upon observation.
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    BB ($5)
    UTG ($1.75)
    Hero (UTG+1) ($8.35)
    MP1 ($2.08)
    MP2 ($4.88)
    MP3 ($11.40)
    CO ($9.28)
    Button ($4.85)
    SB ($4.05)


    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 10, 10
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15


    Flop: ($0.82) 10, 6, Q (4 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, MP3 calls $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 1 fold


    Turn: ($1.87) A (3 players)
    Hero bets $1.87, 1 fold, CO raises to $8.73 (All-In),HERO?

    Flop sizing was maybe a mistake. It seemed like a very dry board. Straight draw didn't immediately occur to me. So i am slightly slow playing.

    Does villain ever shove here with two pair? Villain needs to have at least one set of two pair to call.

    Edit:

    Sorry, i should probably have my pot odds calc. in here. The range i have him on is 66,QQ,AA,Kjo,KJs. This has to include two pair for it to be a call. I am also assuming he shoves with two pair before draws so i haven't mentioned them.
    Last edited by Keith; 02-14-2014 at 03:56 AM.
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    Both QQ and AA are probably not in your villains range because we would expect a preflop 3bet. AQ possibly is.

    your right about your flop sizing being bad, make it atleast 2/3rds to whole pot.

    what was your range for villain on flop?

    what was the purpose of turn bet/sizing? what hands do you anticipate calling? if you have KJ in his range at turn it also has to be on flop. Your villain probably likes draws so being raised on this turn card is a real possibility. Did you think about that before you bet, and what was your plan for turn and river relating to it?
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    I think you can bet a little more on the flop, yes, it's a 4 way pot with 2 broadways which makes it pretty likely that you will get some action. I'm snap calling this turn. I think you see less QQ/AA than you think and will see some 2 pair (AQ especially) and combo draws sometimes. You also have 10 outs to fill up to a full house on the river if facing KJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajspiano View Post
    Both QQ and AA are probably not in your villains range because we would expect a preflop 3bet. AQ possibly is.

    your right about your flop sizing being bad, make it atleast 2/3rds to whole pot.

    what was your range for villain on flop?

    what was the purpose of turn bet/sizing? what hands do you anticipate calling? if you have KJ in his range at turn it also has to be on flop. Your villain probably likes draws so being raised on this turn card is a real possibility. Did you think about that before you bet, and what was your plan for turn and river relating to it?
    My note on villain is that he is loose passive and calls down often with TP so my turn sizing is aiming at getting it in on the river IF he calls. I thought his calling range would include all of his pairs, draws, two pairs etc. I thought his shoving range here was basically the nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amon Saul View Post
    My note on villain is that he is loose passive and calls down often with TP so my turn sizing is aiming at getting it in on the river IF he calls. I thought his calling range would include all of his pairs, draws, two pairs etc. I thought his shoving range here was basically the nuts.
    so the small flop bet encourages draws to chase, then the full pot bet on the turn encourages alot of the hands you beat to fold.

    Your villain is loose passive you say, and you want all the chips in the middle since you are very strong. If you bet 60c and both calls your going to have $2.50 in the pot on the turn. If you bet another 1/2 to two thirna there its as big as your currenr turn bet but easier to call because of the pot size. Suppose we use $1.60 on the turn, your pot will now be around 6 and you have mich better chance to get a loose passive to play for his entire deep stack.

    As played, I agree with lukie, im probably calling because I don't think AA/QQ are showing up very often, so we are more like 66, AQ, KJ.. and we have decent outs vs KJ.
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    Call, TT cant fold here . Has straights a lot but equity gives us enough to call
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    Flop is mega small with middle set on a two broadway board. You need to know that this is a great spot to make a big bet, as you have the nuttiest possible hand that doesn't really block a calling range (QQ would be different and more acceptable to bet a small sizing since you make top pair 2/3 less likely to have).

    Once you mash pot on the turn you're pretty pot committed, even when he pushes for 8. He DEFINITELY can have AQ. You're gonna get shown KJ here a huge huge amount but not enough to fold a set. I'd call with 66 as well.
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    easy
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    I'd call with 66 as well.
    This.

    I fold AQ.
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    bet flop bigger

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