An Open Letter to FTR

[soupie]

Demi,

The irony of of your post is that is not polite. It is a profanity ladden rant. Yet you somehow expect to improve the level of discourse by stooping to the very level you claim to abhor.

I agree with your ideas. Please start exampling the behavior you intend to encourage.

Soupie

[Xianti]

quit your bitching. i can undertand the whole being nice thing but the rest of your post is just bitching. get over it fag.

This is not how we talk to each other at FTR.

Demi was genuinely making suggestions and observations that he feels will be helpful.


Your attitude needs improvement, Hogi. This is your one and only warning.

[Hogimacaca]

quit your bitching. i can undertand the whole being nice thing but the rest of your post is just bitching. get over it fag.

This is not how we talk to each other at FTR.

yes it is

Demi was genuinely making suggestions and observations that he feels will be helpful.

ok. what u call genuinely i call gay. im not saying he is a bitch for making suggestions and observations. im calling him gay for the way he went about it. watch this:

hey guys,
there are a couple of things that i dont understand. (Nsfw)

also, post things where they belong. ok? things are being cluttered cuz u
post the same question twice so.... plz look for ur the anwers to your questions in the stickies.

dont just say the same things over and over, post only if you have explanations cuz......... its annoying to see..... i dont know...

can the moderators please do your job and not be rude. we are all nice people and that is what separates us from other forums.



that is what he basically said but without all the bitching. his tone was out of order and that is why i say he is gay. he was bitching.

Your attitude needs improvement, Hogi. This is your one and only warning.

so demis attitude was amiable? his intentions were good but dont get that confused with attitude.

[Pyroxene]

Hello there.

I have been an FTR member for almost a year now. In that time I have come to realize a painful truth... I am older than most of you. God that hurts.

I bring this up, not because age blesses someone with any special wisdom. I know a lot of people my age and older that have little business offering insight on just about anything.

I bring it up because I was a part of something that went on before a lot of you all were in a position to participate; telecommunications before the Internet.

During the mid 80's to about 1990, I ran the second largest electronic bulletin board in VA. I lived in Blacksburg, VA at the time. I ran a 4 node BBS with about a Gigabyte of hard disk space (which was HUGE for that day, as in I spent about $8,000 on the disk drives.) Blacksburg is the home of Virginia Tech. Around that time, the Engineering and CS colleges started requiring students to purchase a PC. So I had literally thousands of users. Due to its size, I had users from all over the world; Canada, Europe, the Middle East, etc. I was also part of a hierarchical multi-node, multi-forum messaging system called RelayNet so my system handled thousands of messages per day.

So, I bring all this up to say, "I have been here before." I would like to offer some advice that worked well for me over the 6 or 7 years that I ran the system.

1) This is no reason to be rude in your own house. The people who come here are your guests. Treat them like guests.
2) You are going to have bad users. They will cause problems for other users. They will be rude. They will leave bad advice (intentionally). These are like guests that are trying to make a mess of your home. Ask them to stop the behavior. If they do not, then ask them to leave. If they do not do so willingly, then forcefully remove them.
3) Have one forum where anyone can say anything to anybody; label it clearly as such. The people that do not want any part of that environment stay out.
4) Moderators need to actively maintain the desired decorum of their forums. Forums 'will' go off course, unacceptable behavior 'will' creep in. Without proper maintenance, the forum becomes that part of your home that you wish your guests did not have to see. The moderator has to keep the forum in order. If a moderator does not have the time to do this, then another moderator needs to be put over that forum. This has nothing to do with the first moderator being 'bad'. It just a matter of maintaining the house. If you usually have some guy cut your grass but he says he cannot do it for the next 2 months, you do not let the yard go to hell. You have someone else mow it. A trap that I and a lot of Sysops used to fall into is we would put people that were very knowledgeable about a subject over the forum for that subject. Being knowledgeable about a topic does not make someone a good moderator, it makes them a good contributor. A moderator's job is really more administrative and PR oriented.

I think you all run a great site. While I agree with a little introspection, do not lose sight of the fact that, for the most part, FTR is friendly, loaded with helpful content, well organized, with a good sense of community.

[DoGGz]

quit your bitching. i can undertand the whole being nice thing but the rest of your post is just bitching. get over it fag.

This is not how we talk to each other at FTR.

yes it is

Demi was genuinely making suggestions and observations that he feels will be helpful.

ok. what u call genuinely i call gay. im not saying he is a bitch for making suggestions and observations. im calling him gay for the way he went about it. watch this:

hey guys,
there are a couple of things that i dont understand. (Nsfw)

also, post things where they belong. ok? things are being cluttered cuz u
post the same question twice so.... plz look for ur the anwers to your questions in the stickies.

dont just say the same things over and over, post only if you have explanations cuz......... its annoying to see..... i dont know...

can the moderators please do your job and not be rude. we are all nice people and that is what separates us from other forums.



that is what he basically said but without all the bitching. his tone was out of order and that is why i say he is gay. he was bitching.

Your attitude needs improvement, Hogi. This is your one and only warning.

so demis attitude was amiable? his intentions were good but dont get that confused with attitude.

I hope you get banned.

Was that not-gay enough for you?

[Chicago_Kid]

FTR been wary, wary good to me.

It's taught me a ton of theory that I otherwise wouldn't have learned. And I keep coming back when I learn to apply the theories discussed and want more to think about, or get feedback on misapplications.

TYVM

[chardrian]

We can't be all that bad...

quoting not2smart:

"By the way, I researched several forums (twoplustwo, cardplayer, pokerpages, thisisthenuts, internettexasholdem, etc...) prior to joining this one. I opted for FTR for a few reasons.

1. The site looks good. It is organized well. Visually appealing.

2. The better players seem to comment a lot more than on some other sites. That is important to me. I have read many of your posts and I definately respect your knowledge and opinions."

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=22071

I couldn't agree more. to the admins and the players who make this forum such a great site.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

It's sad how a thread intended to point out some areas for improvement and foster open discussion has turned into a pissing match bewteen some posters. Take the childish antics elsewhere. I'm starting to think that all the forums need is more people getting warned, more threads getting locked, and if needed, more people banned(temporarily or permanently). This stuff goes on because there is too much toleration for it.

[Xianti]

I'm starting to think that all the forums need is more people getting warned, more threads getting locked, and if needed, more people banned(temporarily or permanently). This stuff goes on because there is too much toleration for it.

I agree with you, Nuts.

We have far too many members now to be as tolerant as we were before. Consistent bad attitude is now reason enough for banishment. It's the only way we can maintain the friendly atmosphere that kept people coming back in the first place.

But I don't believe in temporary bans. One warning only. Then, perma-ban. I've seen temporary bans fail miserably at another forum I was an Admin at because people are generally stupid creatures of habit.

[Xianti]

Oh... by the way, Hogimacaca has already received his one and only warning.

[dalecooper]

bitching. bitching. fag.

gay. bitch gay:

bitching. gay. bitching.

I think someone likes gay bitches. I'm not implying anything, mind you.

[BankItDrew]

What should I do when facing a re-raise pre-flop with pocket 10s - Qs ?

[r8ed]

When I first came here, I got bitchslapped pretty hard by several FTR veterans. I wasn't happy about it at first but as I read more posts, I realized two things:
1. Sometimes people need to be bitchslapped.
2. 95% of the time it's not personal. It's just the way people state things on here sometimes. You just have to focus on the information.

If you can accept those two things, the information is priceless.

BTW> Thank your 'rilla, Triptanes and koolmoe for kicking me in the gonads on my first post. It was a brag post where I sucked out on somebody and thought I was worthy of praise.