i knew the answer was simple. seems neither calculation was taking into account the flop. i typed the flop into stove manually, and didnt put spaces between the cards. thanks. while we're at it, do people think my line is good here? is my estimate of his range reasonable given the c/r or is it usually sets here? i think i see a lot of <100BB stacks taking c/shove lines OOP in multiway pots with tptk or better at 50NL.