$11: Line check with QQ in 3 different situations

[Fielmann]

I was dealt QQ three times in 50 hands or so.
Criticize my lines. Flatting in hand 2 is probably the most original thought here.
Villain in hand 1 had been running 15/0 over a tiny sample of 15 hands.
Villain in hand 2 had been semi-aggressive.

1.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t1650)
CO (t1660)
Button (t1460)
Hero (SB) (t1480)
BB (t1530)
UTG (t1280)
MP1 (t1470)

Hero's M: 49.33

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, CO bets t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 2 folds, CO raises to t580, Hero?


2.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 (t1695)
CO (t963)
Button (t1230)
Hero (SB) (t1095)
BB (t1895)
UTG (t1172)
UTG+1 (t2705)
MP1 (t1575)
MP2 (t1275)

Hero's M: 14.60

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
3 folds, MP2 bets t150, 3 folds, Hero calls t125, 1 fold

Flop: (t350) A, 6, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t200, Hero?


3.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t4422)
UTG+1 (t5249)
Hero (MP1) (t1970)
MP2 (t2095)
CO (t2465)
Button (t2705)
SB (t2110)
BB (t3878)

Hero's M: 8.76

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, Q
2 folds, Hero?

[baudib]

Hand 1: Facing a 4-bet from a passive villain, clear fold imo.

Hand 2: Fairly horrible, easy reraise, i wouldn't flat anything here other than AA once in a while.

Hand 3: Anything other than limping is fine, a minraise might be best as long as you never fold...open-shoving isn't bad if you've been aggressive and blinds are loose...

[fjuanl]

I have to think about Hand 1 more

Hand 2: Flatting pre is fine because you have a stack where any sort of standard 3bet looks obviously committing. You could shove preflop but tight aggressive opponents they will fold too much. Its going to be fairly easy to get your stack in postflop and he wont really be able to fold top pairs worse than QQ. Even if he misses, you're still very likely to get a cbet out of him

On this flop I think its okay to call once on the flop and shut down vs further action. Most players are one-and-done with their bluffs on A high boards when stacks are shallow

Hand 3: I think anything could work well here...shoving, raising, or limping. If you've been shoving a fair amount recently I'd keep up with that pattern and hope someone calls wider than usual. If the table is bad and weak you can just make a standard open and they'll call too much. Limping also has some merit if your at a table where an open raise will look very strong but a limp will go un-noticed or will be attacked by an overaggressive player you've spotted

[Im_new]

I have to think about Hand 1 more

Hand 2: Flatting pre is fine because you have a stack where any sort of standard 3bet looks obviously committing. You could shove preflop but tight aggressive opponents they will fold too much. Its going to be fairly easy to get your stack in postflop and he wont really be able to fold top pairs worse than QQ. Even if he misses, you're still very likely to get a cbet out of him

On this flop I think its okay to call once on the flop and shut down vs further action. Most players are one-and-done with their bluffs on A high boards when stacks are shallow

Hand 3: I think anything could work well here...shoving, raising, or limping. If you've been shoving a fair amount recently I'd keep up with that pattern and hope someone calls wider than usual. If the table is bad and weak you can just make a standard open and they'll call too much. Limping also has some merit if your at a table where an open raise will look very strong but a limp will go un-noticed or will be attacked by an overaggressive player you've spotted

ummm... you'd call PF in hand two...? I think that's pretty horrible because you're allowing too many hands to get into the pot after you... I always 3bet here.

and hand 3...limping is bad.

[fjuanl]

about hand 2:

I think that's pretty horrible because you're allowing too many hands to get into the pot after you...

What do you mean by this? Hero is SB so theres only 1 more person to enter the pot.

If you think the opener is bad enough to flat your 3bet with most of what he opened with, then I do like making it 400 better than calling.

But even if villain will call your 3bet a lot, whats so horrible about letting his weak range see a flop? You let the aggressive player cbet every flop...then you check/shove. Maybe he gets stubborn with any pair or calls it off with a weak draw.

Do you guys think this is horrible with KK as well?

[Im_new]

about hand 2:



What do you mean by this? Hero is SB so theres only 1 more person to enter the pot.

If you think the opener is bad enough to flat your 3bet with most of what he opened with, then I do like making it 400 better than calling.

But even if villain will call your 3bet a lot, whats so horrible about letting his weak range see a flop? You let the aggressive player cbet every flop...then you check/shove. Maybe he gets stubborn with any pair or calls it off with a weak draw.

Do you guys think this is horrible with KK as well?

shit... misread the hand. My apologies.

I still favor the 3bet for value. If he's going to call our 3bet, why not let him? Calling here OOP give Villain too much control because C/S won't work vs passive/weak players, who will generally take a turn to our check. And if we decide to donkbet the flop, we fold out plenty.

Versus a standard TAGG, I may call every once in a while and then C/S flop though. But I still hate letting QQ become vulnerable to those damn As and Ks that love to ruin my days.

[Fjaman]

Hand 1: Seems weak to raise push Qs even if its early, im not putting any stock in the 15/0 because the sample size is to small, could easily be AK here or even JJ
Hand 2: I like to call with high pairs in pos. but not out of, and Qs isnt really that great of a hand when overcards flop, pump it up pre, as it stands here i would call and reevalutate on the turn
Hand 3: Raise or push, only reason not to push Qs with this stack is if your UTG and there´s alot of M=2-3 stacks at the table, then i can see calling on occasion to induce a push from the smaller stacks in later pos.